Killer Frog

Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a 4/0
regardless of manufacturer.

Dave V
www.gotobaits.com

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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On May 14, 6:36 am, Rodney Long wrote:
Bob La Londe wrote:

Its actually mostly eyeballs up. The tip of the nose was just a hair
under. The legs looked good, but they didn't hang way down. They
were just under the surface so they can kick up a bit of commotion
when its retrieved.

Basically its a slow distrubance bait similar to a Horny toad, but
because it has flat paddle feet the legs will move more with less
movement, and because its a floater it can be retrieved slow or
fast.

I hate to admit this but I have never used a frog.

Frogs can very exciting to fish... and sometimes very frustrating.


Could you or Randy post a photo of this with the hook in it, so I can
see how it is rigged over at alt.binaries.pictures.fishing

I don't have any of the perfect hooks for this frog yet, but basically
a wide gap copper head (hitchhiker) in 2/0 or 3/0 depending on the
manufacturer.


I would guess this would be very effective fishing the pads ? does it
have other locations it would be effective ?

Yes and yes. Basically anyplace you fish topwater it could be
effective.

On the retrieve, would very short little jerks be most effective, or
just a slow retrieve ?

Its a bait that can be fished stop and go. Long pause, continuous
slow or continuous fast. Really topwater is one of those areas where
the fish really do tell you what they want.

On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a 4/0
regardless of manufacturer.


A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.

The Gamakatsu EWG hooks work better in the 4/0. I do see what you are
saying, the owner came through the bait so far forward that the hook point
went past the slot, where the Gamakatsu point was just at the beginning of
the slot.

With the Horney toads, we used the 4/0 texposer hooks. These may work well
for our frogs too, but you still want to use some sort of pegging system.
I'll have more hook info on the frogs after the weekend. I think its Gammy
who puts out the new Z-Lock tube hooks. They have an extra bend where the
bait holds to the hook. it's a widegap hook as well. I may try them and will
get back to you.

Dave V



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a
4/0
regardless of manufacturer.


A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.

I have used the 3/0 zoom horny toad hooks, I would definetly suggest a screw
lock hitchhiker. It eliminates the ripped baits, sliding baits etc. frogs
always stay right side up( a big problem with the zoom) I won't rig a frog
without it, I will also start using them on flukes as well.

I am working on a deal with a manufacturer to get those hooks in bulk.
samples will be here this week. I'll see how they are.

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"Dave Vito" wrote in message
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The Gamakatsu EWG hooks work better in the 4/0. I do see what you are
saying, the owner came through the bait so far forward that the hook point
went past the slot, where the Gamakatsu point was just at the beginning
of the slot.

With the Horney toads, we used the 4/0 texposer hooks. These may work well
for our frogs too, but you still want to use some sort of pegging system.
I'll have more hook info on the frogs after the weekend. I think its Gammy
who puts out the new Z-Lock tube hooks. They have an extra bend where the
bait holds to the hook. it's a widegap hook as well. I may try them and
will get back to you.

Dave V



"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a
4/0
regardless of manufacturer.


A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.

On May 15, 3:00 am, "Fishking" wrote:
I have used the 3/0 zoom horny toad hooks, I would definetly suggest a screw
lock hitchhiker. It eliminates the ripped baits, sliding baits etc. frogs
always stay right side up( a big problem with the zoom) I won't rig a frog
without it, I will also start using them on flukes as well.

I am working on a deal with a manufacturer to get those hooks in bulk.
samples will be here this week. I'll see how they are.

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PREMIUM HAND POURED BAITS"Dave Vito" wrote in message

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The Gamakatsu EWG hooks work better in the 4/0. I do see what you are
saying, the owner came through the bait so far forward that the hook point
went past the slot, where the Gamakatsu point was just at the beginning
of the slot.

With the Horney toads, we used the 4/0 texposer hooks. These may work well
for our frogs too, but you still want to use some sort of pegging system.
I'll have more hook info on the frogs after the weekend. I think its Gammy
who puts out the new Z-Lock tube hooks. They have an extra bend where the
bait holds to the hook. it's a widegap hook as well. I may try them and
will get back to you.

Dave V

"Bob La Londe" wrote in message
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On May 14, 4:04 pm, "Dave Vito" wrote:
Bob, The 3/0 from Owner was much too small. I would definately go with a
4/0
regardless of manufacturer.

A lot of the Owner hooks are shorter front to back than other brands
of the same size.

Compare an Owner Riggin' Hook to a Gamakatsu EWG Super Line hook for
instance.- Hide quoted text -

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I have seen the hitch hikers available in loose packages at local
tackle stores. I think they were originallly produced by TTI for
their Daiichi Buttdragers and Copperheads. You might try contacting
TJ about buying the Hitch Hikers in bulk. He might also have a wide
gap suitable for use with it. I know I don't think the regular copper
head has a wide enough gap for a frog, but it might be good for t-
rigging a senko or fluke.

Another option for hooks that should easily be available in bulk that
would or should work with the Hitchikers. A jig hook. They make them
in wide gap in bulk for making jigs. Why not use them with a
Copperhead screw or Hitch Hiker as hook only instead of a jig.