Killing bass?

On Jun 4, 11:38 pm, (John B) wrote:
That place reminded me a bit of west Texas....miles and miles of miles
and miles....and nary a tree to mar the view !

Reminds me of a teacher I had back at the University of Louisville.
He had just moved to Louisville from Lubbock, Texas. He commented
that it looked like we had a "tree problem." He complained that he
was claustrophobic for the first couple of months.

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On Jun 4, 11:38 pm, (John B) wrote:
That place reminded me a bit of west Texas....miles and miles of miles
and miles....and nary a tree to mar the view !

Reminds me of a teacher I had back at the University of Louisville.
He had just moved to Louisville from Lubbock, Texas. He commented
that it looked like we had a "tree problem." He complained that he
was claustrophobic for the first couple of months.

On the flip side I've seen folks come out to the desert and swell to fill
the open spaces. They literally become a bigger person. (No I don't mean
get fat. LOL.) Others just hide in small house under the airconditioning.


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On Jun 5, 10:41 am, "Bob La Londe" wrote:

On the flip side I've seen folks come out to the desert and swell to fill
the open spaces. They literally become a bigger person. (No I don't mean
get fat. LOL.) Others just hide in small house under the airconditioning.

That's too deep for me, Bob. I'll need a beer or two to help me
figure that one out.

On Jun 7, 8:38 am, Buddy why.wood.yew@bother wrote:
That said, someone that never keeps any of their catch, IMHO, has a
disconnect from the heritage that is part of fishing.

Oh, I keep fish, just not breeding sized bass.

We have lakes that the state has declared you can keep all the bass you
catch in them in an effort to promote some other species, usually
Landlocked Salmon. When I want a feed, those lakes are where I go.

When I want to eat fish I go to Red Lobster. Basically, I just don't
want to mess with cleaning fish. I can produce as fine a filet as you
ever saw with my Rapala filet knife.

However, most lakes on the east coast from NJ north have significant
levels of mercury in them to the extent that our state has guidelines
for safe levels of consumption. Pregnant women are advised to eat no
fish and children under 8 should only eat wild fish once a month. Here
is a good argument for throwing the big ones back as they are older and
have more mercury stored in their fat.

It really sucks, but it comes from coal fired energy generation plants
to our west. They make their stacks very tall in an effort to dilute
what falls back to earth in their own state, but its really a fallacy.

On that note, the Florida Public Service Commission just this week
turned down a request by Florida Power & Light to build a new coal
fired plant just west of Lake Okeechobee. FPL filed a petition the
next day to build a new nuclear plant.

Dick Durbin

I don't kill them, but part of that is I am fishing in lowland lakes in the
Seattle area and I don't want to be eating all the gunk that is sitting at
the bottom of those lakes. Our fish and games books even have whole
sections on how many you should eat in a month and how to minimize your
exposure to toxins, heavy metals, ect.

Planter Trout are a whole other issue though.



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On 30 May 2007 12:55:51 -0700, Olebiker wrote:

A friend directed me to a local fishing web site. One of the
discussion pages was about freshwater fishing. I was amazed to see
pictures of guys holding up stringers of dead bass like it was still
1954.

I don't think I have killed a bass on purpose in over 20 years and I
don't think I know anyone who still keeps bass. Do any of you folks
eat bass?

Dick Durbin

Bass is my favorite fish to eat. I keep most of my bass caught. I know
many who do the same. I don't feel guilty or ashamed of it either. My
take on the "whole catch and release" thing is to each their own, but
secretly there is a small part of me that also thinks "good more for
me".
It seems there are two types of "C&R" folk. There are the normal,
rational ones who make it a personal choice (some don't like eating
fish, some are not so inclined to clean them and cook them for time
reasons, ect.). Then there is the judgmental, fanatical and often
irrational type who thinks his personal choice should be everyone's.
this type is a nuisance and a blight on the whole sport of angling,
and should be discouraged.
Once while fishing a nice stream for trout with my wife and daughter
one of these latter types (who was a regular at the stream) came up to
me and spouted "you should be ashamed of yourself for killing them
fine trout". Well I am ashamed to admit it but that made me loose my
patience I usually have for these fanatics. After I thoroughly read
him his pedigree, he left and to date has not been seen at the stream
again. Upon his leaving I received a standing ovation from five other
anglers (two of which were C&R only), which proves that most anglers
DONT share that persons fanatical beliefs.
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod. I would suggest taking up golf and
settle for bitching and moaning about the other golfers cleats
marring up the fairway.

Forthesky
Western PA

On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, forthesky wrote:
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod.

What's legal isn't always a good idea. One of the 20 acre lakes in my
neighborhood was almost completely stripped of bass one summer by a
couple of guys who kept every legal bass they caught. These two guys
fished almost every day and, for the first few weeks, caught legal
limits of five to eight pound fish nearly every time they went out.

They broke no laws, but the lake never recovered it's bass stock.

On Jun 7, 8:18 pm, forthesky wrote:

There is no way 2 guys or even 20 could "fish out" even a small lake.
maybe a tiny "pond".

You seem pretty sure of that from 1,000 miles away. Lake Blue Heron
is drained right now to repair the dam and scrape the years of
accumulated muck off the bottom. During the time period that these
two guys caught all of the breeding sized bass is was extremely
shallow and had no natural cover. It was just a bowl. The guys built
five "fish attractors" that concentrated the fish in those five areas
and made them easy picking.

I believe there is no way a Lake could be "fished out".

You are hiding your head in the sand.

Here in PA
whenever a lake or dam (and we have small ones too) gets low on fish,
The PFBC slaps a "big bass" limitation and reduced creel limit into
effect and usually within two years the fish stock is back up. And
that is with literally hundreds if not thousands of anglers using the
lake or dam. If your state has no such wildlife conservation in effect
, then perhaps your states anglers should push for better management.

Florida's laws allow a fisherman to keep one bass a day over 22 inches
and up to five total over 12 inches. That law is effective except in
such an extreme case.

again I must say
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod.

Your reading comprehension is poor, isn't it?

On Thu, 07 Jun 2007 12:42:40 -0700, Olebiker wrote:

On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, forthesky wrote:
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod.

What's legal isn't always a good idea. One of the 20 acre lakes in my
neighborhood was almost completely stripped of bass one summer by a
couple of guys who kept every legal bass they caught. These two guys
fished almost every day and, for the first few weeks, caught legal
limits of five to eight pound fish nearly every time they went out.

They broke no laws, but the lake never recovered it's bass stock.

There is no way 2 guys or even 20 could "fish out" even a small lake.
maybe a tiny "pond". I know this because I have tried. About 15 of us
(friends and cousins) found a pond/swamp (less than 3 acres) about 5
miles hike through snake country from the nearest access road. We all
fish it super hard for two years now and have not decimated I, every
year sees about the same level of bass.
I believe there is no way a Lake could be "fished out". Here in PA
whenever a lake or dam (and we have small ones too) gets low on fish,
The PFBC slaps a "big bass" limitation and reduced creel limit into
effect and usually within two years the fish stock is back up. And
that is with literally hundreds if not thousands of anglers using the
lake or dam. If your state has no such wildlife conservation in effect
, then perhaps your states anglers should push for better management.

I fish a certain trout stream that has a two mile stretch that is C&R
only. The first day of trout season this year My daughter and I fished
just downstream of this stretch. By noon we had counted 59
dead/dyeing/seriously distress trout go by, not many of which were
under 15 inches. Fortunately there was a flock of Amish children
scooping the floaters up with nets (illegal but much better than the
alternative). I have watched anglers take upwards of five minutes to
free a fish from their hook and then flop it into the water and watch
it float away with a confident look that they did the right thing. I
have seen too many anglers rip their spinner from a bass with all
force they could muster, just to hurriedly get back into it cause the
bass are "really hittin".
again I must say
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod.

Forthesky
Western PA

Your reading comprehension is poor, isn't it?

No, but neither is your sarcasm and self-righteousness. But that was
an almost good shot at someone when your argument was getting weak.

In extreme cases I guess anything is possible. But for your poor
reading abilities I will simplify. I am talking about the C&R guy that
thinks the taking of ANY fish is a shameful act. I am NOT talking
about extreme cases of abuse or waste. FWIW you come off as a person
who must think he is right about everything and feels very important,
so I am sure you will have something witty and sarcastic to reply
with. my hat's off to you prince olebiker, all hail the prince.

Forthesky
Western PA