Killing bass?

On Jun 7, 9:00 pm, forthesky wrote:
Your reading comprehension is poor, isn't it?

No, but neither is your sarcasm and self-righteousness. But that was
an almost good shot at someone when your argument was getting weak.

In extreme cases I guess anything is possible. But for your poor
reading abilities I will simplify. I am talking about the C&R guy that
thinks the taking of ANY fish is a shameful act. I am NOT talking
about extreme cases of abuse or waste. FWIW you come off as a person
who must think he is right about everything and feels very important,
so I am sure you will have something witty and sarcastic to reply
with. my hat's off to you prince olebiker, all hail the prince.

Forthesky
Western PA

Lets try this one more time: I have no problem with a guy keeping a
few small bass to eat. My problem is with the guys who kill our
breeding stock.

Lets try this one more time: I have no problem with a guy keeping a
few small bass to eat. My problem is with the guys who kill our
breeding stock.

Please define what you mean by "few small" and "breeding stock". would
you prefer 100 lunkers or 200 15 inchers in a given body of water?

"Olebiker" wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, forthesky wrote:
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod.

What's legal isn't always a good idea. One of the 20 acre lakes in my
neighborhood was almost completely stripped of bass one summer by a
couple of guys who kept every legal bass they caught. These two guys
fished almost every day and, for the first few weeks, caught legal
limits of five to eight pound fish nearly every time they went out.

They broke no laws, but the lake never recovered it's bass stock.


Very likely broke the laws on possession limits.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 04:17:32 GMT, "Calif Bill"
wrote:


"Olebiker" wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 1:15 pm, forthesky wrote:
The Fact is, if you are bothered by the sight of seeing someone
legally catch a legal size and legal limit of fish and KEEP them, you
DON'T belong behind a fishing rod.

What's legal isn't always a good idea. One of the 20 acre lakes in my
neighborhood was almost completely stripped of bass one summer by a
couple of guys who kept every legal bass they caught. These two guys
fished almost every day and, for the first few weeks, caught legal
limits of five to eight pound fish nearly every time they went out.

They broke no laws, but the lake never recovered it's bass stock.


Very likely broke the laws on possession limits.

That's what I was thinking. Most states (that I know of) have
possession limits to discourage that type of behavior.

Forthesky
Western PA

On Jun 7, 11:40 pm, forthesky wrote:
Lets try this one more time: I have no problem with a guy keeping a
few small bass to eat. My problem is with the guys who kill our
breeding stock.

Please define what you mean by "few small" and "breeding stock". would
you prefer 100 lunkers or 200 15 inchers in a given body of water?

Here in Florida, I would consider a 12 to 15 inch bass to be a
candidate for the skillet if you chose to eat bass.

Here's some information from the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission:
"Age and Growth - Growth rates are highly variable with differences
attributed mainly to their food supply and length of growing season.
Female bass live longer than males and are much more likely to reach
trophy size. By age two or three, females grow much faster than male
bass. Males seldom exceed 16 inches, while females frequently surpass
22 inches. At five years of age females may be twice the weight of
males. One-year old bass average about seven inches in length and grow
to an adult size of 10 inches in about 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 years."

If you limit yourself to bass under 15 inches you are less likely to
be catching and killing a breeding sized female.

On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:57:36 -0700, Olebiker wrote:

On Jun 7, 11:40 pm, forthesky wrote:
Lets try this one more time: I have no problem with a guy keeping a
few small bass to eat. My problem is with the guys who kill our
breeding stock.

Please define what you mean by "few small" and "breeding stock". would
you prefer 100 lunkers or 200 15 inchers in a given body of water?

Here in Florida, I would consider a 12 to 15 inch bass to be a
candidate for the skillet if you chose to eat bass.

Here's some information from the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission:
"Age and Growth - Growth rates are highly variable with differences
attributed mainly to their food supply and length of growing season.
Female bass live longer than males and are much more likely to reach
trophy size. By age two or three, females grow much faster than male
bass. Males seldom exceed 16 inches, while females frequently surpass
22 inches. At five years of age females may be twice the weight of
males. One-year old bass average about seven inches in length and grow
to an adult size of 10 inches in about 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 years."

If you limit yourself to bass under 15 inches you are less likely to
be catching and killing a breeding sized female.


well there might be the problem. It seems florida has it all
backwards. Here in PA when a lake starts to get "fished out" they slap
"big bass" regulations in effect. "big bass" means you can ONLY keep
bass OVER 15 inches. This has worked superbly here in PA with Lake
recovery time at about a year or so. All or lakes up here are full of
bass, and i mean FULL. So if the lakes in florida are stressed, maybe
it has to do with florida's backwards (at least from PA law)
guidelines.

"forthesky" wrote in message
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 09:57:36 -0700, Olebiker wrote:

On Jun 7, 11:40 pm, forthesky wrote:
Lets try this one more time: I have no problem with a guy keeping a
few small bass to eat. My problem is with the guys who kill our
breeding stock.

Please define what you mean by "few small" and "breeding stock". would
you prefer 100 lunkers or 200 15 inchers in a given body of water?

Here in Florida, I would consider a 12 to 15 inch bass to be a
candidate for the skillet if you chose to eat bass.

Here's some information from the Florida Fish and Wildlife Commission:
"Age and Growth - Growth rates are highly variable with differences
attributed mainly to their food supply and length of growing season.
Female bass live longer than males and are much more likely to reach
trophy size. By age two or three, females grow much faster than male
bass. Males seldom exceed 16 inches, while females frequently surpass
22 inches. At five years of age females may be twice the weight of
males. One-year old bass average about seven inches in length and grow
to an adult size of 10 inches in about 1-1/2 to 2-1/2 years."

If you limit yourself to bass under 15 inches you are less likely to
be catching and killing a breeding sized female.


well there might be the problem. It seems florida has it all
backwards. Here in PA when a lake starts to get "fished out" they slap
"big bass" regulations in effect. "big bass" means you can ONLY keep
bass OVER 15 inches. This has worked superbly here in PA with Lake
recovery time at about a year or so. All or lakes up here are full of
bass, and i mean FULL. So if the lakes in florida are stressed, maybe
it has to do with florida's backwards (at least from PA law)
guidelines.


You have northern strain LMB. They grow slower and don't get as big.

Historically minimum size limtis makes for lots of fish right at and below
the minimum size.


--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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You have northern strain LMB. They grow slower and don't get as big.

Historically minimum size limtis makes for lots of fish right at and below
the minimum size.


Historically perhaps, but presently have no trouble filling my limit
with sweet 18 inchers.

"forthesky" wrote in message
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You have northern strain LMB. They grow slower and don't get as big.

Historically minimum size limtis makes for lots of fish right at and below
the minimum size.


Historically perhaps, but presently have no trouble filling my limit
with sweet 18 inchers.

You know most of us are pretty serious about our fishing and one or two of
us just might have had an actual conversation once (or more than once) with
a real working fish head. (Freshwater marine biologist.)

Minimum size limits is pretty well proven to provide for larger numbers of
smaller fish when a large number of table fisherman (who obey the rules) are
fishing an area. If you are catching lots of bigger fish then there are
plenty of guys throwing back fish instead of keeping them, but hey you
already have your mind made up.

I'm not an extremist C&R fisherman, but Its only common sense (and sound
science.) On lakes with slot limits (big lakes) there winds up being lots
of slot size fish. Hmmm... how could that possibley be? Because size
limits do what they obviously should.

Take the time to vist the website for various state management agencies and
finds out who the fish heads are and ask them directly.

Maybe you are lucky and fish an area that doesn't get a lot of pressure, or
maybe you have the magic bait that draws the better fish from miles away,
but intensive sport fishing on limited waterways can definitely have a
measurable impact.

On Lake Powell they had rampant runaway striper populations resulting in
huge schools of small stripers. They set an open limit on stripers...
guess what.ten years later there are a lot more bigger stripers and the big
schools of small striper are bigger and have smaller numbers. Imagine that,
and Lake Powell is almost a hundred miles long.

I have no issue with you taking home a few fish for dinner, but to claim
that there is no way sport fishing can have a major negative (or positive)
impact is just plain wrong. There are hundreds if not thousands of examples
to the contrary.

Anyway, I'm sure you will jump in with a reason why you think I'm worng and
that's fine, but I suggest that instead of arguing with us you ask some
proffessionals. Real working marine biologists working with state agencies
in the field to manage our waterways. Heck, ask the guys in your own state.

If you can't find the websites for the various state management agfencies
take a look at my website. On the left side of the home page is a list of
links to each state.

Ask the pros and then come back and tell us what you learned. If you get a
half dozen actual fish heads to say that we can keep and eat all the fish we
legal catch and posses without having an impact I'll take a step back, but
it just ain't gonna happen.

P.S. A fish head and a game enforcement officer are NOT the same thing.
Enforcement officers have a fraction of the education and experience and
knowledge as the biologists working for the same departmenets do.

P.P.S. Our bass tend to start breeding here at about 12" atleast the males
do. Thats the small end of the size I see on beds in the spring. We have
primarily Northern Strain LMs here too.

--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com



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On Fri, 8 Jun 2007 20:42:30 -0700, "Bob La Londe"
wrote:

"forthesky" wrote in message
.. .



You have northern strain LMB. They grow slower and don't get as big.

Historically minimum size limtis makes for lots of fish right at and below
the minimum size.


Historically perhaps, but presently have no trouble filling my limit
with sweet 18 inchers.

You know most of us are pretty serious about our fishing and one or two of
us just might have had an actual conversation once (or more than once) with
a real working fish head. (Freshwater marine biologist.)

Minimum size limits is pretty well proven to provide for larger numbers of
smaller fish when a large number of table fisherman (who obey the rules) are
fishing an area. If you are catching lots of bigger fish then there are
plenty of guys throwing back fish instead of keeping them, but hey you
already have your mind made up.

I'm not an extremist C&R fisherman, but Its only common sense (and sound
science.) On lakes with slot limits (big lakes) there winds up being lots
of slot size fish. Hmmm... how could that possibley be? Because size
limits do what they obviously should.

Take the time to vist the website for various state management agencies and
finds out who the fish heads are and ask them directly.

Maybe you are lucky and fish an area that doesn't get a lot of pressure, or
maybe you have the magic bait that draws the better fish from miles away,
but intensive sport fishing on limited waterways can definitely have a
measurable impact.

On Lake Powell they had rampant runaway striper populations resulting in
huge schools of small stripers. They set an open limit on stripers...
guess what.ten years later there are a lot more bigger stripers and the big
schools of small striper are bigger and have smaller numbers. Imagine that,
and Lake Powell is almost a hundred miles long.

I have no issue with you taking home a few fish for dinner, but to claim
that there is no way sport fishing can have a major negative (or positive)
impact is just plain wrong. There are hundreds if not thousands of examples
to the contrary.

Anyway, I'm sure you will jump in with a reason why you think I'm worng and
that's fine, but I suggest that instead of arguing with us you ask some
proffessionals. Real working marine biologists working with state agencies
in the field to manage our waterways. Heck, ask the guys in your own state.

If you can't find the websites for the various state management agfencies
take a look at my website. On the left side of the home page is a list of
links to each state.

Ask the pros and then come back and tell us what you learned. If you get a
half dozen actual fish heads to say that we can keep and eat all the fish we
legal catch and posses without having an impact I'll take a step back, but
it just ain't gonna happen.

P.S. A fish head and a game enforcement officer are NOT the same thing.
Enforcement officers have a fraction of the education and experience and
knowledge as the biologists working for the same departmenets do.

P.P.S. Our bass tend to start breeding here at about 12" atleast the males
do. Thats the small end of the size I see on beds in the spring. We have
primarily Northern Strain LMs here too.

--
Bob La Londe
Fishing Arizona & The Colorado River
Fishing Forums & Contests
http://www.YumaBassMan.com


Bob,
I agree with the majority of your argument. and with just the
facts you have stated you are right on the money. However there is one
important factor usually overlooked. Economy. The fisherman who
intends to fish for "all he can get" usually has economy in mind. Once
a lake gets the "big bass" stamp, usually the pressure drops right
off. Most of the heavy use shifts to another non-regulated lake. A
case in point is a local (to me) lake that before "big-bass" went into
effect would take literally an hour or more in line to launch a boat.
After "regulation took effect, there are few times that there is even
a line. A year and a half later the lake in question is still quite
empty and teeming with bass, of all sizes. Of coarse this may not be
the case in all states or areas. But with Gas prices the way they are,
I can't see a consistent stringer-filler traveling to a lake under
management, just to have his greed curtailed by limits and
regulations.
Obviously you have me pegged as a hostile, argumentative individual.
But let me state for the record I have No problem with C&R, I do it
myself many times. However I do KILL bass, and eat them. Sometimes I
fill my limit, and lots of them times with bigger bass. My original
response was to a guy who obviously was horrified by pictures of dead
bass on someone's stringer. I can agree that some are guilty of over
harvesting and I do not personally agree with that practice.
However If no laws are being broken, then there should be no problem.
However if the laws and regulations in your neck of the woods are not
working, then they need to be changed so they will work.
Heck, most people (anglers) up this way today can hardly believe bass
are edible. Whereas 10 years ago everyone I knew ate bass at some
point or another.
And just for the record I know the difference between a biologist and
Game popo, I have several of each as friends, and have went fishing
with both, have even went out night electrofishing for lake survey a
few times with them. And they all love my fried bass fillets.


Fortheshy
Western PA