An Evening on a Bass River

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:46:56 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:54:16 -0500, Cyli wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:40:40 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

Did a little scouting today. I think I've found the next smallie Clave
campground. I just have to get a hold of the powers-that-be and see if
we can work something out.

Thanks, george. Must have been a great day for you.

BTW, there still isn't any record of a healthy wolf that wasn't being
fed by humans attacking any human being in the U.S. that I've heard
of. And I'm on some groups where the hysterical about wolves
sometimes post.


I wasn't really worried about being attacked per se. It was more of an
instincticve reaction (I think) to being so close to animals which are
much more physically powerful than I am. To carry the analogy to to an
absurd level, if you came upon a group of gods cavorting in a meadow
(And, no, I don't think of wolves as gods.), would your first response
be to yell "Heey Gods! Whats happenin'!!" or would it be to keep your
trap shut and slink away.

Are these alleged "gods" "cavorting" in _A_ meadow or _trespassing_ in
_MY_ meadow? And more importantly, are there nekkid gals with hot bods
involved?

The fact that wolves could easily kill any human if they so chose and
the fact that they don't is something I find intriguing about them.

Um, they could? But OK, assuming a wolf _could_ kill any human it
chose, why do you think _would_?

Easy protein?


Or do you find yourself intriguing for
not having run over myriad people in your automobile?

I find myself and wolves intriguing for a variety of reasons. But the
fact that wolves pass up an easy meal is an interesting part of their
behavior. After all, most large felines, some bears, crocodiles,
ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're dead of course)
and many other animals that I'm sure I've forgotten, seem to find
human flesh toothsome and nutritious. Wolves don't. Why? I also find
it somewhat interesting that you find the predator/prey relationship
in animals analogous to human beings killing each other at random.
Why?


g.c.

HTH,
R
...I think you'll find that, for most animals, it's a lot easier not to
kill than to kill, and under "normal" circumstances, it's only necessity
that causes them to do it...

g.c.

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:47:55 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:46:56 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:54:16 -0500, Cyli wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:40:40 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

Did a little scouting today. I think I've found the next smallie Clave
campground. I just have to get a hold of the powers-that-be and see if
we can work something out.

Thanks, george. Must have been a great day for you.

BTW, there still isn't any record of a healthy wolf that wasn't being
fed by humans attacking any human being in the U.S. that I've heard
of. And I'm on some groups where the hysterical about wolves
sometimes post.


I wasn't really worried about being attacked per se. It was more of an
instincticve reaction (I think) to being so close to animals which are
much more physically powerful than I am. To carry the analogy to to an
absurd level, if you came upon a group of gods cavorting in a meadow
(And, no, I don't think of wolves as gods.), would your first response
be to yell "Heey Gods! Whats happenin'!!" or would it be to keep your
trap shut and slink away.

Are these alleged "gods" "cavorting" in _A_ meadow or _trespassing_ in
_MY_ meadow? And more importantly, are there nekkid gals with hot bods
involved?

The fact that wolves could easily kill any human if they so chose and
the fact that they don't is something I find intriguing about them.

Um, they could? But OK, assuming a wolf _could_ kill any human it
chose, why do you think _would_?

Easy protein?


Or do you find yourself intriguing for
not having run over myriad people in your automobile?

I find myself and wolves intriguing for a variety of reasons. But the
fact that wolves pass up an easy meal is an interesting part of their
behavior.

And how many human beings have you killed with your bare hands? If
none, what makes you think it would be so easy? OTOH, how many
hamburgers have you ordered, received, subdued, and consumed? Which
would you guess would be easier?

After all, most large felines, some bears, crocodiles,
ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're dead of course)
and many other animals that I'm sure I've forgotten, seem to find
human flesh toothsome and nutritious.

They do? I think that will come as news to most large felines, some
bears, crocodiles, ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're
dead of course) and many other animals, forgotten or otherwise. I've
spent some time around large felines, some bears, and just about every
major species of shark, not to mention ticks, roundworms, and crabs, and
thus far, I'm uneaten by any of them. My experience with crocs is
admittedly limited (not non-existent), but my experience with gators is
pretty extensive, and as one might guess, I'm similarly uneaten by
either. OTOH, I don't do stupid **** that might make any on the above
list look upon me as a meal, easy or otherwise (and I'm not suggesting
that you do). Of course, it is my understanding that man-eating
roundworms are even rarer than the occasional man-eating
tick...wait...maybe that's the other way around...

Wolves don't. Why?

See above...OTOH, I'd not put a newborn human in a cage with a hungry
wolf on the basis of wolves' not eating humans because they don't find
them tasty...

I also find
it somewhat interesting that you find the predator/prey relationship
in animals analogous to human beings killing each other at random.
Why?

And from the above, I find that you somehow found the idea that I find
such analogous even though I can find nothing in what I wrote to support
such a finding...you'll find that I don't find _any_ of those findings
even somewhat interesting...

TC,
R

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On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 16:47:55 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 09:31:19 -0500, wrote:

On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:46:56 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 20:54:16 -0500, Cyli wrote:

On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 12:40:40 -0500, George Cleveland
wrote:

Did a little scouting today. I think I've found the next smallie Clave
campground. I just have to get a hold of the powers-that-be and see if
we can work something out.

Thanks, george. Must have been a great day for you.

BTW, there still isn't any record of a healthy wolf that wasn't being
fed by humans attacking any human being in the U.S. that I've heard
of. And I'm on some groups where the hysterical about wolves
sometimes post.


I wasn't really worried about being attacked per se. It was more of an
instincticve reaction (I think) to being so close to animals which are
much more physically powerful than I am. To carry the analogy to to an
absurd level, if you came upon a group of gods cavorting in a meadow
(And, no, I don't think of wolves as gods.), would your first response
be to yell "Heey Gods! Whats happenin'!!" or would it be to keep your
trap shut and slink away.

Are these alleged "gods" "cavorting" in _A_ meadow or _trespassing_ in
_MY_ meadow? And more importantly, are there nekkid gals with hot bods
involved?

The fact that wolves could easily kill any human if they so chose and
the fact that they don't is something I find intriguing about them.

Um, they could? But OK, assuming a wolf _could_ kill any human it
chose, why do you think _would_?

Easy protein?


Or do you find yourself intriguing for
not having run over myriad people in your automobile?

I find myself and wolves intriguing for a variety of reasons. But the
fact that wolves pass up an easy meal is an interesting part of their
behavior.

And how many human beings have you killed with your bare hands? If
none, what makes you think it would be so easy? OTOH, how many
hamburgers have you ordered, received, subdued, and consumed? Which
would you guess would be easier?

After all, most large felines, some bears, crocodiles,
ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're dead of course)
and many other animals that I'm sure I've forgotten, seem to find
human flesh toothsome and nutritious.

They do? I think that will come as news to most large felines, some
bears, crocodiles, ticks, roundworms, some sharks, crabs (after you're
dead of course) and many other animals, forgotten or otherwise. I've
spent some time around large felines, some bears, and just about every
major species of shark, not to mention ticks, roundworms, and crabs, and
thus far, I'm uneaten by any of them. My experience with crocs is
admittedly limited (not non-existent), but my experience with gators is
pretty extensive, and as one might guess, I'm similarly uneaten by
either. OTOH, I don't do stupid **** that might make any on the above
list look upon me as a meal, easy or otherwise (and I'm not suggesting
that you do). Of course, it is my understanding that man-eating
roundworms are even rarer than the occasional man-eating
tick...wait...maybe that's the other way around...

Wolves don't. Why?

See above...OTOH, I'd not put a newborn human in a cage with a hungry
wolf on the basis of wolves' not eating humans because they don't find
them tasty...

I also find
it somewhat interesting that you find the predator/prey relationship
in animals analogous to human beings killing each other at random.
Why?

And from the above, I find that you somehow found the idea that I find
such analogous even though I can find nothing in what I wrote to support
such a finding...you'll find that I don't find _any_ of those findings
even somewhat interesting...

Hee, hee, hee.

See how easy it is to get him rolling, George?

See how fun it is?

All those words......and NOTHING to say.

Wolfgang
it's an art......really.

See how easy it is to miss the point on another great George report?
Don't try to cover tracks, Wolfgang, you are guilty too.

Living in MT, I know wolves won't attack humans, I feel honored when I
hear them howl while camping, and I know that no true wilderness is
truly wild without the howl of a wolf. However, I still see most of you
missed the beauty of George's post to jump at the chance to bicker.

Stop ruining it, dolts. Most of us know the science and nature of the
wolf. The beauty of his post (again) was the emotion he felt and the
great detail he went into to relay a great human experience with us.
Sorry you missed it.

Thanks again George.

"Cee Dee" wrote in message
...
See how easy it is to miss the point on another great George report?
Don't try to cover tracks, Wolfgang, you are guilty too.

If memory serves (and it generally does.....well enough) George is from
somewhere up around Minnesota or Wisconsin or some such God-forsaken inbred
blight on the American intellectual landscape. I've been through there a
couple of times.....there ain't much to miss.

Living in MT, I know wolves won't attack humans,

Well, see, that's the problem......most of us don't live in MT. How could
we possibly know?

I feel honored when I hear them howl while camping,

I suspect that most of us would. Trouble is, they don't camp much in our
neighborhood.

and I know that no true wilderness is
truly wild without the howl of a wolf.

Yeah, Antarctica is a seething cesspit of cosmopolitan urbanity, I hear.

However, I still see most of you
missed the beauty of George's post to jump at the chance to bicker.

So, you actually swallowed that crap, huh? Those weren't wolves in that
recording. I ran it through an audio analyzer. It was a 4 (maybe as much
as 6) year old Boston terrier and a 2 year old Jack Russell.

Stop ruining it, dolts.

Can't make us!

Most of us know the science and nature of the wolf.

Sure, go ahead, rub it in our faces! Is it OUR fault that some of us can't
afford cable?

The beauty of his post (again) was the emotion he felt

Well, yeah, that MAY have been emotion.......but a bad case of gas looks
much the same. It's pretty hard to tell the difference in a text based
medium, sometimes.

and the
great detail he went into to relay a great human experience with us.

Maybe so, but I still think he just makes this **** up.

Sorry you missed it.

No problem.......I'll catch it when the DVD comes out.

Thanks again George.

Yeah. Ditto that.

Wolfgang

On Tue, 10 Jul 2007 05:28:41 -0600, (Cee
Dee) wrote:

See how easy it is to miss the point on another great George report?
Don't try to cover tracks, Wolfgang, you are guilty too.

Living in MT, I know wolves won't attack humans, I feel honored when I
hear them howl while camping, and I know that no true wilderness is
truly wild without the howl of a wolf. However, I still see most of you
missed the beauty of George's post to jump at the chance to bicker.

Stop ruining it, dolts. Most of us know the science and nature of the
wolf. The beauty of his post (again) was the emotion he felt and the
great detail he went into to relay a great human experience with us.
Sorry you missed it.

Thanks again George.


George lives within a very few hundreds of miles of some places in
the U.S. where wolves never had to be re-introduced to get them back
in nature. They'd never gone away. MT can't say the same. They
killed all their wolves a long time ago and have only a few recent
decades of re-introduction and breeding up for their experience of
wolves.

The wolves he saw were almost certainly descended, in the wild, from
wolf packs that have always lived in the wild. They've just gotten a
bit of room to spread out now. His wolves don't have any funky Alaska
flown in by the DNR genes. If they've got, and they probably have,
some Minnesota genes, those genes got to his area the honest way. By
walking on four paws.

George knows that most of us appreciate him. The others just haven't
been paying attention or haven't met him and his very nice wife yet.
He also, sometimes for less than understandable reasons, seems to
appreciate many of us. It's a strange world, after all.... (betcha
someone will get an earworm out of that last sentence.)
--

r.bc: vixen
Minnow goddess, Speaker to squirrels, willow watcher.
Almost entirely harmless. Really.

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