Another Pipeline Believer

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer
wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:40 -0000, Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer
wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

How does "this just proves it"? That the plan resorts to using pumps proves
pumping is more cost effective than something that won't work - like "staged
siphons"?

/daytripper (ohhhh kayyyyyy...)

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:40 -0000, Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

How does "this just proves it"? That the plan resorts to using pumps
proves
pumping is more cost effective than something that won't work - like
"staged
siphons"?

/daytripper (ohhhh kayyyyyy...)

Nothing at all wrong with the idea of siphoning water through a series of
reservoirs from the waterlogged east to the parched west. The science is
sound. The solution is a simply matter of engineering. All that really
needs to be done is the construction of the initial reservoir at about
12,000 feet.

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:00:17 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:40 -0000, Halfordian Golfer
wrote:

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

How does "this just proves it"? That the plan resorts to using pumps
proves
pumping is more cost effective than something that won't work - like
"staged
siphons"?

/daytripper (ohhhh kayyyyyy...)

Nothing at all wrong with the idea of siphoning water through a series of
reservoirs from the waterlogged east to the parched west. The science is
sound. The solution is a simply matter of engineering. All that really
needs to be done is the construction of the initial reservoir at about
12,000 feet.

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

Do you often have these "Eureka Moments"? ;-)

I suppose you could blame them on over-exposure to Tim...

/daytripper (now, about that 12000 foot site east of the Rockies...)

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:00:17 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
. ..
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:40 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

How does "this just proves it"? That the plan resorts to using pumps
proves
pumping is more cost effective than something that won't work - like
"staged
siphons"?

/daytripper (ohhhh kayyyyyy...)

Nothing at all wrong with the idea of siphoning water through a series of
reservoirs from the waterlogged east to the parched west. The science is
sound. The solution is a simply matter of engineering. All that really
needs to be done is the construction of the initial reservoir at about
12,000 feet.

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a
much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the
water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of
the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

Do you often have these "Eureka Moments"? ;-)

Hey, you say "seizure," I say "epiphany."

I suppose you could blame them on over-exposure to Tim...

Timmie's logic is grossly underrated. I mean, what could be better than
reasoning that makes ANYTHING possible?

/daytripper (now, about that 12000 foot site east of the Rockies...)

No sweat. You could use the water coming down from Pueblo to generate
electricity which could then power a fleet of earth-moving equipment. Hell,
we already got a good start on some garbage hills here that are a couple
hundred feet high.

Wolfgang
and we ain't even got to capillary action yet!

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:09:18 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:00:17 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:40 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

How does "this just proves it"? That the plan resorts to using pumps
proves
pumping is more cost effective than something that won't work - like
"staged
siphons"?

/daytripper (ohhhh kayyyyyy...)

Nothing at all wrong with the idea of siphoning water through a series of
reservoirs from the waterlogged east to the parched west. The science is
sound. The solution is a simply matter of engineering. All that really
needs to be done is the construction of the initial reservoir at about
12,000 feet.

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a
much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the
water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of
the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

Do you often have these "Eureka Moments"? ;-)

Hey, you say "seizure," I say "epiphany."

I suppose you could blame them on over-exposure to Tim...

Timmie's logic is grossly underrated. I mean, what could be better than
reasoning that makes ANYTHING possible?

/daytripper (now, about that 12000 foot site east of the Rockies...)

No sweat. You could use the water coming down from Pueblo to generate
electricity which could then power a fleet of earth-moving equipment. Hell,
we already got a good start on some garbage hills here that are a couple
hundred feet high.

Wolfgang
and we ain't even got to capillary action yet!

Hilarious!

/daytripper (this is *much* better than what Tim comes up with ;-)

On Jul 26, 1:39 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 14:09:18 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:00:17 -0500, "Wolfgang" wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 17:07:40 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

How does "this just proves it"? That the plan resorts to using pumps
proves
pumping is more cost effective than something that won't work - like
"staged
siphons"?

/daytripper (ohhhh kayyyyyy...)

Nothing at all wrong with the idea of siphoning water through a series of
reservoirs from the waterlogged east to the parched west. The science is
sound. The solution is a simply matter of engineering. All that really
needs to be done is the construction of the initial reservoir at about
12,000 feet.

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a
much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the
water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of
the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

Do you often have these "Eureka Moments"? ;-)

Hey, you say "seizure," I say "epiphany."

I suppose you could blame them on over-exposure to Tim...

Timmie's logic is grossly underrated. I mean, what could be better than
reasoning that makes ANYTHING possible?

/daytripper (now, about that 12000 foot site east of the Rockies...)

No sweat. You could use the water coming down from Pueblo to generate
electricity which could then power a fleet of earth-moving equipment. Hell,
we already got a good start on some garbage hills here that are a couple
hundred feet high.

Wolfgang
and we ain't even got to capillary action yet!

Hilarious!

/daytripper (this is *much* better than what Tim comes up with ;-)

Quiz

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/rfcshare/pre...alysis_new.php

Select:
Archive Month/Year
and view
Departure from Normal.

Where would water enter the grid this year?

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

Wolfgang wrote:

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Why would you push water BACK to Colorado? That's nuts. Every foot of
pipeline loses head, depending on the diameter and the current (flow
rate). The loss of head incurs a cost. Another huge cost -- probably the
dominant one -- would be the cost of building a parallel pipeline system.

If the water's in Colorado, already at high elevation, and you need it
there, use it there. Duh.


Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

That's why they come up with crackpot schemes.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
m...
Wolfgang wrote:

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot
head (~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to
push water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus,
a much smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute
the water from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added
advantage of the 4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the
siphoning that much easier and concomitantly cheaper.

Why would you push water BACK to Colorado?

Um.....because that's where it's needed. Duh.

That's nuts. Every foot of pipeline loses head, depending on the diameter
and the current (flow rate). The loss of head incurs a cost. Another huge
cost -- probably the dominant one -- would be the cost of building a
parallel pipeline system.

Well, it wouldn't have to be exactly parallel. You could sort of follow the
contour......or something.

If the water's in Colorado, already at high elevation, and you need it
there, use it there. Duh.

Yeah, but the trouble is there isn't enough of it. I mean, that's pretty
much to whole point of the operation, ainna?


Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

That's why they come up with crackpot schemes.

Ya think?

Wolfgang

On Thu, 26 Jul 2007 13:05:12 -0600, rw
wrote:

Wolfgang wrote:

However, there is a simpler, cheaper, and much more elegant solution.

Pueblo, being at a considerably greater elevation than, say, Milwaukee, a
pipeline could be constructed to carry water downhill from Pueblo to the
shore of Lake Michigan. The enormous pressure exerted by a 4220 foot head
(~4880 foot altitude at Pueblo - ~580 at Milwaukee) could be used to push
water back through a pipeline from Lake Michigan to Colorado. Thus, a much
smaller number of staged reservoirs would be needed to distribute the water
from Pueblo to the rest of the west, and there is the added advantage of the
4000+ foot elevation gain, which would make the siphoning that much easier
and concomitantly cheaper.

Why would you push water BACK to Colorado? That's nuts. Every foot of
pipeline loses head, depending on the diameter and the current (flow
rate). The loss of head incurs a cost. Another huge cost -- probably the
dominant one -- would be the cost of building a parallel pipeline system.

If the water's in Colorado, already at high elevation, and you need it
there, use it there. Duh.


Wolfgang
who supposes that some people just never will be able to grasp basic
physics.

That's why they come up with crackpot schemes.

OK, OK, OK...here's a much better solution: wetb...er, illegal al...er,
visitors unencumbered by documentation. That loon (no, the other
one...) up in Colorado hates 'em, but maybe if they each were issued a
great big ol' bucket, they could bring a bunch of water with 'em when
they swam the Rio Grande, and he'd like 'em better. And if they knew
they were welcome in Colorado (provided, of course, they came with a
great big ol' bucket of water), more would come. Then, when every human
being what was south of the Texas is now north of Texas, you give 'em
all shovels, dig a big ol' canal between Peebalow and that place in
England with all the flooding, and TA-DA!!! the US and England are best
buddies again. And if there's any water left over, they can keep
digging and dig a canal to the Sahara and then, the radical
Islamofacists will be not only grateful to the US, but all them illegal
aliens, too. JOY TO THE WORLD, LET PEACE RING OUT!!!

HTH,
R