Another Pipeline Believer

"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message
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On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:





Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.


It is just not the cash cost, but how much water is available. The Ogallala
Aquifer is a falling level of water. Was originally recharged by the water
that seeped through buffalo wallows. The buffalo broke though the clay
layer allowing the water to flow. Very little recharging these days. So
pipelines from where the water is may be the only viable option. Or a
pipeline to allow the water to get to the aquifer you are pumping from.

On Jul 26, 6:10 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

It is just not the cash cost, but how much water is available. The Ogallala
Aquifer is a falling level of water. Was originally recharged by the water
that seeped through buffalo wallows. The buffalo broke though the clay
layer allowing the water to flow. Very little recharging these days. So
pipelines from where the water is may be the only viable option. Or a
pipeline to allow the water to get to the aquifer you are pumping from.

This seems so, so obvious to me that I simply don't understand how
anyone could question it.

Bone

"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message
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On Jul 26, 6:10 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

It is just not the cash cost, but how much water is available. The
Ogallala
Aquifer is a falling level of water. Was originally recharged by the
water
that seeped through buffalo wallows. The buffalo broke though the clay
layer allowing the water to flow. Very little recharging these days. So
pipelines from where the water is may be the only viable option. Or a
pipeline to allow the water to get to the aquifer you are pumping from.

This seems so, so obvious to me that I simply don't understand how
anyone could question it.

As concise and accurate a statement of your fundamental problem as any
reasonable person could wish for.

Wolfgang

On Aug 2, 8:28 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Jul 26, 6:10 pm, "Calif Bill" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

roups.com...

On Jul 25, 7:46 pm, daytripper wrote:
On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 23:50:48 -0000, Halfordian Golfer

wrote:

Check this out:

""What this project does is it uses pipes like this to go downstream
and collect it; work against gravity to bring it back up. And then
we'll treat it and flow it through our system back to the South
Platte," said Binney."

That's right...."work against gravity"...read it and weap boys.

From:http://www.9news.com/news/article.aspx?storyid=74260

I think a water grid is easily within grips. No drought, no flooding,
just good, clean water for all.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it

Oooooh! Magical Pipes, defying gravity!

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZTTTTTTTT!

El Wrongo strikes again.

http://www.auroragov.org/stellent/gr...map/021665.pdf

See all those pumping stations, Tim?

/daytripper (ahahahahahahhaahaha!)

My point has always been that pumping was cost effective if other ways
couldn't be made to work. This just proves it. I still think it's
possible to used staged siphon but I acknowledge that's way out there.
So, each little pump station has it's own solar grid and water is
going, well, anywhere it needs to. No more flood, no more drought just
abundant, safe water for all.

Halfordian Golfer
A cash flow runs through it.

It is just not the cash cost, but how much water is available. The
Ogallala
Aquifer is a falling level of water. Was originally recharged by the
water
that seeped through buffalo wallows. The buffalo broke though the clay
layer allowing the water to flow. Very little recharging these days. So
pipelines from where the water is may be the only viable option. Or a
pipeline to allow the water to get to the aquifer you are pumping from.

This seems so, so obvious to me that I simply don't understand how
anyone could question it.

As concise and accurate a statement of your fundamental problem as any
reasonable person could wish for.

Wolfgang

So, what do 'you' wish for Wolfman?

OBROFF: Jeff, the thought was that energy transfer is energy transfer
be it from the wind or any other source. If you have a wind blowing up
a ridge in Wyoming and a field of windmills dampening it, what is the
reduced wind power on the lee side of the Ridge?

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel

OBROFF: Jeff, the thought was that energy transfer is energy transfer
be it from the wind or any other source. If you have a wind blowing up
a ridge in Wyoming and a field of windmills dampening it, what is the
reduced wind power on the lee side of the Ridge?

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel


i reckon it's just hard for me to "concept it". wrapping my brain
around the idea that wind is consumed on a large and static scale is
difficult...no doubt a deficit in my brain rather than the concept. i
know that wind gusts can be disrupted in a fixed time and space...as in
one sailboat covering another's wind as part of racing strategy...but
the idea that it is ingested or gone completely...smothered...so as to
alter climate or "respiration" is what i'm trying to grasp. certainly
there are microcosms or spaces within mountain ranges and ridges where
wind is disrupted in the manner that concerns you...what is the effect?

are the deserts in east washington a product of prevailing wind
disruption by the mountain ranges?

don't windmills allow large amounts of wind to seep between the blades?
does wind really operate in the linear and constant manner necessary for
the disruption you suggest?

is the lee side of the ridge on one day necessarily in the lee every day?

jeff (whose first wife, named "lee", was a lovely zephyr...and, yes, the
black rum is at work)

On Aug 2, 4:44 pm, jeff wrote:
OBROFF: Jeff, the thought was that energy transfer is energy transfer
be it from the wind or any other source. If you have a wind blowing up
a ridge in Wyoming and a field of windmills dampening it, what is the
reduced wind power on the lee side of the Ridge?

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel

i reckon it's just hard for me to "concept it". wrapping my brain
around the idea that wind is consumed on a large and static scale is
difficult...no doubt a deficit in my brain rather than the concept. i
know that wind gusts can be disrupted in a fixed time and space...as in
one sailboat covering another's wind as part of racing strategy...but
the idea that it is ingested or gone completely...smothered...so as to
alter climate or "respiration" is what i'm trying to grasp. certainly
there are microcosms or spaces within mountain ranges and ridges where
wind is disrupted in the manner that concerns you...what is the effect?

are the deserts in east washington a product of prevailing wind
disruption by the mountain ranges?

don't windmills allow large amounts of wind to seep between the blades?
does wind really operate in the linear and constant manner necessary for
the disruption you suggest?

is the lee side of the ridge on one day necessarily in the lee every day?

jeff (whose first wife, named "lee", was a lovely zephyr...and, yes, the
black rum is at work)

It's a good thing we invented steam and diesel powered ships. At the
current rate of global commerce we would have used up all the wind by
now.

BJ Conner wrote:


It's a good thing we invented steam and diesel powered ships. At the
current rate of global commerce we would have used up all the wind by
now.


well damn...and the journey was just beginning. took the wind right outa
my sails. you do have a nack for getting to the nub of it. g

"jeff" wrote in message
...

OBROFF: Jeff, the thought was that energy transfer is energy transfer
be it from the wind or any other source. If you have a wind blowing up
a ridge in Wyoming and a field of windmills dampening it, what is the
reduced wind power on the lee side of the Ridge?

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel


i reckon it's just hard for me to "concept it". wrapping my brain around
the idea that wind is consumed on a large and static scale is
difficult...no doubt a deficit in my brain rather than the concept. i
know that wind gusts can be disrupted in a fixed time and space...as in
one sailboat covering another's wind as part of racing strategy...but the
idea that it is ingested or gone completely...smothered...so as to alter
climate or "respiration" is what i'm trying to grasp. certainly there are
microcosms or spaces within mountain ranges and ridges where wind is
disrupted in the manner that concerns you...what is the effect?

are the deserts in east washington a product of prevailing wind disruption
by the mountain ranges?

don't windmills allow large amounts of wind to seep between the blades?
does wind really operate in the linear and constant manner necessary for
the disruption you suggest?

is the lee side of the ridge on one day necessarily in the lee every day?

Interesting questions, one and all, but they betray a misplaced concern,
doubtless engendered by.....um.....shall we say a certain lack of
sophistication in basic engineering principles? The trouble is not that
there isn't enough wind to go around. No, the trouble is that the wind
isn't evenly (and equitably) distributed. One day we have an excess in one
neighborhood while at the same time there is a dearth in another. Another
day, the situation will be reversed. With the experience gained in the
construction and implementation of a continent wide water grid, a similar
project for wind would be child's play.....after all, wind is a great deal
lighter (and correspondingly easier and cheaper to transport, right?) than
water. Moreover, the power required to move all that wind will be
absolutely free. Remember that the water grid depends on siphons to move
the water from Lake Michigan to Pueblo. Siphons, as any naif should clearly
understand, require nothing but gravity* for their motive force. The net
elevation gain (4000+ feet, for those who may have forgotten) represents an
enormous gain in energy potential......energy which can be used (bearing in
mind that all that water has to go back down some time or other) to generate
the electricity required to pump the wind to where it is needed.

jeff (whose first wife, named "lee", was a lovely zephyr...and, yes, the
black rum is at work)

Remind me sometime to give you my thoughts on a worldwide ethanol
distribution grid. I think I may have figured out a way to make it work.

Wolfgang
*yes, i am aware that it will take a LOT of gravity to move that much water
that far, resulting in temporary local scarcities. critics should try to
keep the big picture in mind. remember that the wind grid is merely a means
of assuring that there will always be plenty of it where needed to generate
electricity (and, of course, to pollinate those plants dependent on it)
which, added to that created by the falling water, will allow for the
cost-free operation of a continental gravity gird! sweet!

"Wolfgang" wrote in message
...

"...the cost-free operation of a continental gravity gird! sweet!
"

GOOD GOD! THE IDIOT MISSPELLED "grid"!!!!

Wolfgang

On Aug 3, 6:49 am, "Wolfgang" wrote:
"jeff" wrote in message

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OBROFF: Jeff, the thought was that energy transfer is energy transfer
be it from the wind or any other source. If you have a wind blowing up
a ridge in Wyoming and a field of windmills dampening it, what is the
reduced wind power on the lee side of the Ridge?

Your pal,

TBone
Guilt replaced the creel

i reckon it's just hard for me to "concept it". wrapping my brain around
the idea that wind is consumed on a large and static scale is
difficult...no doubt a deficit in my brain rather than the concept. i
know that wind gusts can be disrupted in a fixed time and space...as in
one sailboat covering another's wind as part of racing strategy...but the
idea that it is ingested or gone completely...smothered...so as to alter
climate or "respiration" is what i'm trying to grasp. certainly there are
microcosms or spaces within mountain ranges and ridges where wind is
disrupted in the manner that concerns you...what is the effect?

are the deserts in east washington a product of prevailing wind disruption
by the mountain ranges?

don't windmills allow large amounts of wind to seep between the blades?
does wind really operate in the linear and constant manner necessary for
the disruption you suggest?

is the lee side of the ridge on one day necessarily in the lee every day?

Interesting questions, one and all, but they betray a misplaced concern,
doubtless engendered by.....um.....shall we say a certain lack of
sophistication in basic engineering principles? The trouble is not that
there isn't enough wind to go around. No, the trouble is that the wind
isn't evenly (and equitably) distributed. One day we have an excess in one
neighborhood while at the same time there is a dearth in another. Another
day, the situation will be reversed. With the experience gained in the
construction and implementation of a continent wide water grid, a similar
project for wind would be child's play.....after all, wind is a great deal
lighter (and correspondingly easier and cheaper to transport, right?) than
water. Moreover, the power required to move all that wind will be
absolutely free. Remember that the water grid depends on siphons to move
the water from Lake Michigan to Pueblo. Siphons, as any naif should clearly
understand, require nothing but gravity* for their motive force. The net
elevation gain (4000+ feet, for those who may have forgotten) represents an
enormous gain in energy potential......energy which can be used (bearing in
mind that all that water has to go back down some time or other) to generate
the electricity required to pump the wind to where it is needed.

jeff (whose first wife, named "lee", was a lovely zephyr...and, yes, the
black rum is at work)

Remind me sometime to give you my thoughts on a worldwide ethanol
distribution grid. I think I may have figured out a way to make it work.

Wolfgang
*yes, i am aware that it will take a LOT of gravity to move that much water
that far, resulting in temporary local scarcities. critics should try to
keep the big picture in mind. remember that the wind grid is merely a means
of assuring that there will always be plenty of it where needed to generate
electricity (and, of course, to pollinate those plants dependent on it)
which, added to that created by the falling water, will allow for the
cost-free operation of a continental gravity gird! sweet! - Hide quoted text -

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"The net elevation gain (4000+ feet, for those who may have
forgotten) represents an
enormous gain in energy potential...."
I hope your not saying what I think you are. Water only runs
downhill, even with a sphon. If you want to raise it 4000' you need a
pump. It's in the first week of pipefitter apprentice training-- ****
floats, water runs downhill, paydays on Friday.