Rio Line

BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan on
spending in "casting" class?


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
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BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????


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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:07 -0400, chromefinder
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rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????

Um...OK, will he?

Seriously, and speaking in generalities because I don't know BobS and
so, I only know of the situation by what he has posted he

If one discovers they have a problem with their casting technique
(whether via less-than-lessons or self-teaching) and seeks to remedy
that problem, they will be better off in the long run as an all-around
caster. If all BobS ever intended to do is fish that rig and line at
whatever distance, then maybe simply sticking with that might be just
the ticket. Probably not, buy hey, to each their own.

Now, if the situation had been that BobS could cast 80' feet with the
Orvis and only 73' with the RIO on this or that rod, then the idea of
simply using the Orvis line might have merit, but when the distances are
20' v. 50', something is up that has nothing to do with the line (taking
him at his writing that it was at least a 4 if not a 5) or the rod. With
a 4 rather than a 5 of the same line, the difference in weight, all
other factors equal, simply isn't going to stall - hell, slam down - a
cast as he was describing, and the differences in the various line
manufacturers simply aren't THAT great.

TC,
R

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BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan on
spending in "casting" class?


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Good point...but....

If I was just a fishing nut than the "how I get there" wouldn't matter much
and the sport would only be about catching fish - somehow. To me, I can
stand in a stream all day long and fish and not give a hoot if I actually
catch one or not.

It's more the journey for me than the end result of catching a fish.
Learning how / why things work along the way is more interesting to me than
what I catch. This is a hobby, not something I have to rush and a pursuit I
hope to be proficient enough at so that when I do retire - I can go fishing
knowing I know what I can and cannot do with the tools I brought along.

I realize that may be back-asswards from the norm but that's life.......
And if I find out that my casting technique is a total bust - I will do
exactly as you suggest and just - go fishing!

Thank you,

Bob S.

On Aug 15, 3:02 am, "BobS" wrote:



If I was just a fishing nut than the "how I get there" wouldn't matter much
and the sport would only be about catching fish - somehow. To me, I can
stand in a stream all day long and fish and not give a hoot if I actually
catch one or not.

It's more the journey for me than the end result of catching a fish.
Learning how / why things work along the way is more interesting to me than
what I catch. This is a hobby, not something I have to rush and a pursuit I
hope to be proficient enough at so that when I do retire - I can go fishing
knowing I know what I can and cannot do with the tools I brought along.

I realize that may be back-asswards from the norm but that's life.......
And if I find out that my casting technique is a total bust - I will do
exactly as you suggest and just - go fishing!

Thank you,

Bob S.

Sounds just exactly the right way to go about it to me. I see you
solved your problem. Still a little unusual for casting technique to
make that much difference on two similar weight lines.

Anyway, congratulations on a step forward. One learns a great deal
more by analysing and overcoming failures, than by just carrying on
regardless. Also, a good casting teacher is rarer than you might
think!

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Mike Connor

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

http://groups.google.co.uk/group/Flycorner?hl=en

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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:07 -0400, chromefinder
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rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:


BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????

Um...OK, will he?

Seriously, and speaking in generalities because I don't know BobS and
so, I only know of the situation by what he has posted he

If one discovers they have a problem with their casting technique
(whether via less-than-lessons or self-teaching) and seeks to remedy
that problem, they will be better off in the long run as an all-around
caster. If all BobS ever intended to do is fish that rig and line at
whatever distance, then maybe simply sticking with that might be just
the ticket. Probably not, buy hey, to each their own.

Now, if the situation had been that BobS could cast 80' feet with the
Orvis and only 73' with the RIO on this or that rod, then the idea of
simply using the Orvis line might have merit, but when the distances are
20' v. 50', something is up that has nothing to do with the line (taking
him at his writing that it was at least a 4 if not a 5) or the rod. With
a 4 rather than a 5 of the same line, the difference in weight, all
other factors equal, simply isn't going to stall - hell, slam down - a
cast as he was describing, and the differences in the various line
manufacturers simply aren't THAT great.

TC,
R

Can't argue that there is or is not a significant difference in lines but
what I do know is that I cannot cast that Rio line with the same technique
that I cast other lines. Whatever the reason may be, the fact remains that
when I cast as the shop owner suggested, I did much better with the Rio
line. I simply haven't had a chance to get out there and cast other lines
using the new techniques I learned today. Maybe tomorrow night.

For sake of argument, we'll call my style the 10 & 2 cast. The other style
is more of Lefty Kreh's and Ed Jaworski (sp) since those are the gentleman
that the shop owner said taught him. Hard to argue that those two
individuals don't know what they're doing...... So, if I can make this
hobby that much more comfortable and interesting by taking a few lessons,
then that's what I'll try. My practicing alone isn't getting me any
feedback nor am I moving forward.

And it's not about just getting distance - although one could infer that
from my posts - it's also about presentation and how to do it properly.
Actually catching a fish is not be my top priority when I'm standing in the
Russian or Kenai river looking at the snow-capped mountains on a bright
sunny Alaskan day.... (knowing there's gonna be salmon on the menu tonight
despite my lousy fishing techniques).

I can appreciate others only being interested in the catch and it doesn't
matter what is used or how it's done. Their enjoyment of the sport is no
less or more than mine - just different paths getting there.

Thanks for the comments and insights,

Bob S.

Bob S.

Thanks for the reply and enjoy the journey. I just really wanted to
know why you didnt' go with the Orvis line.

cheers


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On Aug 15, 3:29 am, "BobS" wrote:
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On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 18:54:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:

rdean3REMOVE;92498 Wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2007 17:46:07 -0400, chromefinder
wrote:

BobS

Why not just use the Orvis line and go fising with the time you plan
on
spending in "casting" class?

Aw, hell, why not just return 'em both, skip the classes, and buy a
SUPERWHOPPERSIZE Filet O'McJack "meal" with a
Frappamochachinolatte....or a cane pole, a bobber, some worms, and a
shooting head...don't forgot a shooting head...

Well, it'd be cheaper, and ****, they can sling them McWhoppofishes
out
like...like...like they had shooting heads...

And speaking of not helping matters ah-tall,
R

OK OK

I just found it odd that BobS choose the line that he actually had to
learn how to cast via instruction vs the one he felt comfortable with
out of the box. I certainly would have gone the easy route here and
bought the Orvis line. Will BobS, when he's completed his casting
lessons be able to cast the Orvis line 30' farther than what he's able
to cast the Rio line that he just learned how to cast????

Um...OK, will he?

Seriously, and speaking in generalities because I don't know BobS and
so, I only know of the situation by what he has posted he

If one discovers they have a problem with their casting technique
(whether via less-than-lessons or self-teaching) and seeks to remedy
that problem, they will be better off in the long run as an all-around
caster. If all BobS ever intended to do is fish that rig and line at
whatever distance, then maybe simply sticking with that might be just
the ticket. Probably not, buy hey, to each their own.

Now, if the situation had been that BobS could cast 80' feet with the
Orvis and only 73' with the RIO on this or that rod, then the idea of
simply using the Orvis line might have merit, but when the distances are
20' v. 50', something is up that has nothing to do with the line (taking
him at his writing that it was at least a 4 if not a 5) or the rod. With
a 4 rather than a 5 of the same line, the difference in weight, all
other factors equal, simply isn't going to stall - hell, slam down - a
cast as he was describing, and the differences in the various line
manufacturers simply aren't THAT great.

TC,
R

Can't argue that there is or is not a significant difference in lines but
what I do know is that I cannot cast that Rio line with the same technique
that I cast other lines. Whatever the reason may be, the fact remains that
when I cast as the shop owner suggested, I did much better with the Rio
line. I simply haven't had a chance to get out there and cast other lines
using the new techniques I learned today. Maybe tomorrow night.

For sake of argument, we'll call my style the 10 & 2 cast. The other style
is more of Lefty Kreh's and Ed Jaworski (sp) since those are the gentleman
that the shop owner said taught him. Hard to argue that those two
individuals don't know what they're doing...... So, if I can make this
hobby that much more comfortable and interesting by taking a few lessons,
then that's what I'll try. My practicing alone isn't getting me any
feedback nor am I moving forward.

And it's not about just getting distance - although one could infer that
from my posts - it's also about presentation and how to do it properly.
Actually catching a fish is not be my top priority when I'm standing in the
Russian or Kenai river looking at the snow-capped mountains on a bright
sunny Alaskan day.... (knowing there's gonna be salmon on the menu tonight
despite my lousy fishing techniques).

I can appreciate others only being interested in the catch and it doesn't
matter what is used or how it's done. Their enjoyment of the sport is no
less or more than mine - just different paths getting there.

Thanks for the comments and insights,

Bob S.

You are going the right way, and you will eventually catch more than
others anyway. It is an inevitable side effect of learning how and why
things work, and how to use them properly.

Enjoy your lessons, and your fishing, or even just the view!

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-on...c_modulus.html

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Bob S.

Thanks for the reply and enjoy the journey. I just really wanted to
know why you didnt' go with the Orvis line.

cheers


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chromefinder,

Another inquisitive mind.......;-)

Fair question and it goes back to the post about me asking for some advice
on which lines I should get for my brothers and brother-in-laws 8/9 wt
outfits. Simply, Rio was a line I have never tried so I picked up the demo
line the dealer had (saved $$$) for myself to give it a try. I did the
casting comparisons and I can't explain the difference but there is - and I
wanted to know why and not just chalk it off and go back to what worked for
me. It was not only the Rio line I've had a problem with but also the
Cortland 555 and 333 cast differently too. Not as bad as the Rio but there
are differences. Then, there comes a point where one finally has to question
"What the hell is going on....?"

So the Rio incident was the straw that did it and it became the challenge of
the week and the fact that I wasn't about to let it go without digging
further. So making sure I installed it right and that nothing was on the
line that could create extreme friction and then back to the fly shop to
weigh the line to insure it was a 5 wt and to bug the owner. He graciously
gave me over an hour of his time and he was more than willing to politely
show me that nothing was wrong with the line but would gladly exchange it
anyway - no problem. He then had the task of "How do you tell a customer -
they don't know how to cast properly".

Well, he handled that quite nicely by showing me exactly where my present
technique quit working and then proving to me that I could do far better -
hence the quickie lesson outside his shop. Well anybody that can turn
"lousy cast" around to an "acceptable cast" in a matter of a few minutes
gets my attention. He gave me instant feedback, made suggestions to
compensate for the error of my ways and understood that there was some
arthritis at play here too. So going by the book, which is what I've been
trying to do, doesn't always work and that a comfortable technique and
relaxed casting style is more important.

We may never know the real "why" I cast this line differently but I know the
cure and it gets me out to a casting pond for the next couple weeks with a
knowledgeable instructor. I'm certain to meet others with similar interests
and maybe even find out a about a couple of secret fishing holes in the
process.......

Looking forward to the lessons. I may never be a good fly-caster but at
least I'll know why I'm not.........;-)

Bob S.