Attaching a fighting butt?

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:54:00 -0700, wrote:

solve my problem by sending me some money. want my address?

I'm a charitable man, but I wouldn't give money to anyone who bought a
cheap fly rod and then complained because it didn't have a fighting
butt. Buy a good rod - and yes you can afford it, otherwise you
wouldn't be flyfishing.

My good freakin' heck, Dave. You say some weird, no taste, elitist crap
here but this one takes the cake. I can't afford to buy one of your
"good rods" so I guess I don't fly fish. So what was it I was doing a
couple of weeks ago when I held in my hand a gorgeous, high altitude, 18
inch cutthroat trout? All I had with me was a Cabala's Korean made POS
that had a POS Okuma reel and a POS Cortland 333 line and POS homemade
leader with a 5x tippet and a POS 89 cent foam beetle. The whole setup
set me back less than $200. How I ever accomplished this without a fancy
shmancy (translate--way over priced) "good rod" must be amazing. Your
nauseating arrogance has reached the point of insufferable. Get a life
and get over it.

Russell

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:54:29 -0600, "Russell D." wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:54:00 -0700, wrote:

solve my problem by sending me some money. want my address?

I'm a charitable man, but I wouldn't give money to anyone who bought a
cheap fly rod and then complained because it didn't have a fighting
butt. Buy a good rod - and yes you can afford it, otherwise you
wouldn't be flyfishing.

My good freakin' heck, Dave. You say some weird, no taste, elitist crap
here but this one takes the cake. I can't afford to buy one of your
"good rods" so I guess I don't fly fish. So what was it I was doing a
couple of weeks ago when I held in my hand a gorgeous, high altitude, 18
inch cutthroat trout? All I had with me was a Cabala's Korean made POS
that had a POS Okuma reel and a POS Cortland 333 line and POS homemade
leader with a 5x tippet and a POS 89 cent foam beetle. The whole setup
set me back less than $200. How I ever accomplished this without a fancy
shmancy (translate--way over priced) "good rod" must be amazing. Your
nauseating arrogance has reached the point of insufferable. Get a life
and get over it.

Russell

He's simply a total asshole. And a habitual liar.

/daytripper (but he really knows how to treat a female impersonator...)

On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 14:54:29 -0600, "Russell D." wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Wed, 29 Aug 2007 12:54:00 -0700, wrote:

solve my problem by sending me some money. want my address?

I'm a charitable man, but I wouldn't give money to anyone who bought a
cheap fly rod and then complained because it didn't have a fighting
butt. Buy a good rod - and yes you can afford it, otherwise you
wouldn't be flyfishing.

My good freakin' heck, Dave. You say some weird, no taste, elitist crap
here but this one takes the cake. I can't afford to buy one of your
"good rods" so I guess I don't fly fish. So what was it I was doing a
couple of weeks ago when I held in my hand a gorgeous, high altitude, 18
inch cutthroat trout? All I had with me was a Cabala's Korean made POS
that had a POS Okuma reel and a POS Cortland 333 line and POS homemade
leader with a 5x tippet and a POS 89 cent foam beetle. The whole setup
set me back less than $200. How I ever accomplished this without a fancy
shmancy (translate--way over priced) "good rod" must be amazing. Your
nauseating arrogance has reached the point of insufferable. Get a life
and get over it.

Russell

Wow. Reminds me of that song: You got me, under your skin....or is
that I've got you under my skin.... d;o)

I started fishing a looooong time ago with a five buck Sears bamboo
rod and a cheap reel. I still have some inexpensive rods and reels
that work well, even a glass Cortland rod that I use for bass and
bluegill (it was my mom's) That is not the problem. I could shiv a
git what you or anyone else uses, but if you buy it and you're not
satisfied with it, don't complain about it. I was under the
impression that Janusmusic had already bought the rod and now wanted
to modify it. Uh, that is not the way to go on a cheap OR an
expensive rod. Look before you leap; know what you are buying.

He has cleared up that, and I have told him to buy the rod he wants
and not to worry about a fighting butt.

My grandsons use KPOS rods and cheap Orvis reels, and they do well.
Over the years I have recommended inexpensive rods/reels. So, please,
don't come down on me just because I favor Winston rods. Hell, I got
a lawyer friend in NC who will absolutely fish with nothing but a T &
T. I let him use a Winston of mine when he broke his rod on the
stream at a Penns Clave, and he thought it was a piece of ****, but he
was grateful.

Cortland 333? I remember when that first came out. Revolutionized
the fly fishing business. And it is not a POS, nor are home made
leaders, nor is a foam beetle ya bought for $0.89. I've fished with
flies a helluva lot cheaper.

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello,
Looking at a three forks 8wt and it does not have a fighting butt does
anyone know of a company that makes one that is easy to attach? Like a
slip on or something like that?
any help appreciated.
Brian

http://flydepot.com/flyfishing/pn--r...ion/pid--1271/
-tom

Ok, you are on the water. You make a good cast. STRIKE! Fish on! It's an
adult! It's a 5-6 pound anything. Wham you set the hook. You have the fly
line in your hand. You know you've got to quickly get that big fish on the
reel. You start winding. The reel stops. The fish jumps! PING! That stupid
fly line zings by your head. You look down. The fly line IS WRAPPED AROUND
THE FIGHTING BUTT! You couldn't wind it on the reel. A big fish broke off.
You never got to use the stupid fighting butt! You look around. There are
plenty of other things that could have snarled up your fly line, but it was
the fighting butt. And the rod didn't come with one and you went and put
one on just so a big fish could get away! Gesh.

Got the picture? Why put a Fighting Butt (aka fish looser) on any freshwater
fly rod? Not only are they totally useless when fighting bass, salmon,
trout, and steelhead, they are a permanent magnet for fly line loops!

I try NOT to buy a rod that comes with a fighting butt. But if the rod feels
good otherwise, I tell the fly shop I will not buy the rod unless he
replaces it with a plug. He always says "OK, That'll only take about 60
seconds to switch". And every time they always make a big deal of throwing
the cut off Fighting Butt into the trash can.

If you DO put a fighting butt on that rod, Good Luck!
John



wrote in message
oups.com...
Hello,
Looking at a three forks 8wt and it does not have a fighting butt does
anyone know of a company that makes one that is easy to attach? Like a
slip on or something like that?
any help appreciated.
Brian

On 26 Aug, 02:44, wrote:
Hello,
Looking at a three forks 8wt and it does not have a fighting butt does
anyone know of a company that makes one that is easy to attach? Like a
slip on or something like that?
any help appreciated.
Brian

Most tackle shops will make you one for a few dollars. I have attached
such butt extensions to quite a few rods for various people. All you
really need is a piece of wood or similar, which fits into the rod
blank. Although a piece of rod blank is better of course.Again most
tackle shops have plenty of pieces lying around. Take the butt cap off
the rod, ( Usually glued in, if so, stick it in boiling water for a
minute or two).

Measure the inside diameter of the blank at the extreme end. Remember
the blank has a taper! If you get a piece of blank from the tackle
shop, then it is usually quite easy to find a piece that fits. If you
make it of wood etc, then you need to taper it carefully. It must fit
snugly, and at least four to five inches inside the blank. More will
do not harm, but less can cause you severe problems!

That was basically it. You can add corks to the extension as desired,
and make sure you use a plug for the butt when the extension is not in
use, as otherwise sand ingress etc, can cause problems.

TL
MC

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

Here is one I made from a piece of carbon fibre blank, and a few
corks;

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/6675/fbuttmr4.jpg

http://img369.imageshack.us/img369/7840/fbut1at7.jpg

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/3149/fbut2ka5.jpg

It is better if the butt spigot fits entirely into the reel seat.

This one is a permanently attached fighting butt. Most tackle shops
should have rubber or similar plugs to fit the butt itself, or the
extension, but they are usually not as good as corks.Corks finished
flush are better on the butt extension anyway, as shown in both these
cases;

http://img251.imageshack.us/img251/5864/fbut3qw8.jpg

It is easy, quick, and cheap to do. Good way to extend a rod´s
capabilities. Also saves a lot of wear and tear on your arm when
fighting heavy fish, and reduces the chance of your rod breaking.

Whatever you do, DONT!!! try holding the rod blank itself above the
hand grip when fighting heavy fish. The slight wall deformation caused
by the pressure point can cause the blank to shatter.

TL
MC

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

Sorry, I forgot quite an important point. If you do use wood, then it
should be very hard wood, and extremely well sealed. ( soaked in warm
epoxy and then finished when dry), as otherwise it may swell when it
gets wet, and either be impossible to remove, or even damage the
blank.

Also, keep the male spigot clean, and give it a wipe with candle wax
now and again.

Lastly, I have only caught a couple of "faux" steelhead, but I have
caught sea-run rainbows and sea-run browns, both in freshwater and in
the ocean. Using an #8 weight all day is very tiring, and so I use a 9
´6" #7 weight with various shooting heads.The rod will handle big
fish OK, I have had some heavy salmon on it, but it is much lighter
and pleasanter to use than an #8.

TL
MC

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

On Aug 29, 11:21 pm, Mike wrote:
Sorry, I forgot quite an important point. If you do use wood, then it
should be very hard wood, and extremely well sealed. ( soaked in warm
epoxy and then finished when dry), as otherwise it may swell when it
gets wet, and either be impossible to remove, or even damage the
blank.

Also, keep the male spigot clean, and give it a wipe with candle wax
now and again.

Lastly, I have only caught a couple of "faux" steelhead, but I have
caught sea-run rainbows and sea-run browns, both in freshwater and in
the ocean. Using an #8 weight all day is very tiring, and so I use a 9
´6" #7 weight with various shooting heads.The rod will handle big
fish OK, I have had some heavy salmon on it, but it is much lighter
and pleasanter to use than an #8.

TL
MC

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

Thanks for all the useful information..I appreciate it.

On 30 Aug, 06:54, wrote:
On Aug 29, 11:21 pm, Mike wrote:



Sorry, I forgot quite an important point. If you do use wood, then it
should be very hard wood, and extremely well sealed. ( soaked in warm
epoxy and then finished when dry), as otherwise it may swell when it
gets wet, and either be impossible to remove, or even damage the
blank.

Also, keep the male spigot clean, and give it a wipe with candle wax
now and again.

Lastly, I have only caught a couple of "faux" steelhead, but I have
caught sea-run rainbows and sea-run browns, both in freshwater and in
the ocean. Using an #8 weight all day is very tiring, and so I use a 9
´6" #7 weight with various shooting heads.The rod will handle big
fish OK, I have had some heavy salmon on it, but it is much lighter
and pleasanter to use than an #8.

TL
MC

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/

Thanks for all the useful information..I appreciate it.

My pleasure.

TL
MC

http://www.mike-connor.homepage.t-online.de/