Looking for a slower 5wt.

I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.
I'm going to check some out and wanted to get some suggestions on what
to look for. I don't have that big of a budget ($200 or less) but
figured I could save some time if I tried rods that fit into the
slower side of action. I have cast a superfine and that was perfect
for me more relaxed, but those seem hard to find and the "trout bum"
series is out of my range. If trades weren't as complicated I would
trade this premier to someone that had something along the lines of
that action...
Any help appreciated,
Thanks,
Brian

On 5 Sep, 01:03, wrote:
I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.

Any help appreciated,
Thanks,
Brian

You can slow the rod down quite appreciably by putting a heavier line
on it. In this case, probably half a #6, or even half a #7. This is
worth trying before you spend money on another rod.

This is because rod action is also dependent on the loading.

Slow rods in the lower price brackets are getting harder and harder to
find. This is a reflection of the general tendency towards faster
rods. Also, try the drifting mentioned elsewhere. This gives you more
time when casting.

TL
MC

On 5 Sep, 01:28, Mike wrote:
On 5 Sep, 01:03, wrote:

I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.
Any help appreciated,
Thanks,
Brian

You can slow the rod down quite appreciably by putting a heavier line
on it. In this case, probably half a #6, or even half a #7. This is
worth trying before you spend money on another rod.

This is because rod action is also dependent on the loading.

Slow rods in the lower price brackets are getting harder and harder to
find. This is a reflection of the general tendency towards faster
rods. Also, try the drifting mentioned elsewhere. This gives you more
time when casting.

TL
MC

Something else you might like to consider, is the following
phenomenon. Many people always cast about the same length of line, the
length they feel most comfortable with. Rather than extend, or even
shorten line, they move position. This is not "wrong" as such, but
very limiting. It may also scare fish under many circumstances.

If you aerialise a little more line, then you automatically slow down
the rod, and of course the cast itself. In order to train this a
little, cast at targets on your lawn, which are set at different
distances.

Per definition, and assuming correct rating, and a reasonable caster,
any given rod will cast thirty feet of the rated line best. This is
of course not always the case. For some casters it will cast best at
forty feet, or even more. Make sure you try casting at different
ranges before you finally decide a rod does not suit you, and overline
it if necessary to make it more comfortable at shorter ranges. On a
#5 weight line, with ~ 4.66r grains per foot, The ideal length and
weight is thirty feet of line at 140 grains. The ideal weight remains
the same, regardless of the length of line. ( Of course all rods will
cast a lot more than their ideal rated weight).

If you use a piece of #6 weight line at ~5.33r grains per foot, then
you have the ideal casting weight outside the rod tip at ~ 26 feet of
line.

140 grains /5.33grains per foot = 26.3 feet

for a #7 line 6.166 grains per foot. 140 grains/ 6. 166 grains per
foot = 22.7 feet.


This is often overlooked entirely.

Many people move on to faster rods as their casting improves, and this
will certainly give more distance, if you can handle them, but many
medium rods are more comfortable to fish with. Very soft rods have
problems of their own, and are not usually very good tools for many
casters.

TL
MC

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I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.
I'm going to check some out and wanted to get some suggestions on what
to look for. I don't have that big of a budget ($200 or less) but
figured I could save some time if I tried rods that fit into the
slower side of action. I have cast a superfine and that was perfect
for me more relaxed, but those seem hard to find and the "trout bum"
series is out of my range. Any help appreciated,

I would never fish one of these personally but the Cabela's Three Forks rods
or the Temple Fork Finese series of rods are well within your price range
and offer slower action and some folks seem to like them. Personally I would
either try to stick a few more pennies away or look to the used market for
the older whorvis rods, sage LL or sp series or the Winston IM6. Sage has
just dropped another rod series and the SLT series will be discounted but
not down to $200.

"Wayne Knight" wrote in message
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Personally I would either try to stick a few more pennies away or look to
the used market for the older whorvis rods

Speaking of which there are two orvis mid flex five weight rods with buy it
now price of 109.99 and 129.99 on ebay.

Wayne Knight wrote:
wrote:
I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.
I'm going to check some out and wanted to get some suggestions on what
to look for. I don't have that big of a budget ($200 or less) but
figured I could save some time if I tried rods that fit into the
slower side of action. I have cast a superfine and that was perfect
for me more relaxed, but those seem hard to find and the "trout bum"
series is out of my range. Any help appreciated,

I would never fish one of these personally but the Cabela's Three Forks rods
or the Temple Fork Finese series of rods are well within your price range
and offer slower action and some folks seem to like them. Personally I would
either try to stick a few more pennies away or look to the used market for
the older whorvis rods, sage LL or sp series or the Winston IM6. Sage has
just dropped another rod series and the SLT series will be discounted but
not down to $200.

I agree with Wayne but you're not going to find a vintage Sage LL
in your price range. Last I looked on eBay they were going for close
to $500. In addition to the Cabela's and the TFO in the lower price
range you'll want to try the Echo Classic from Tim Rajeff's Echo line:

http://www.echoflyfishing.com/echo_small.php

I've tried this one in the 5wt and it's a decent rod for $140. It's
not a great rod by any means, but for $140 it's decent.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:42:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Wayne Knight wrote:
wrote:
I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.
I'm going to check some out and wanted to get some suggestions on what
to look for. I don't have that big of a budget ($200 or less) but
figured I could save some time if I tried rods that fit into the
slower side of action. I have cast a superfine and that was perfect
for me more relaxed, but those seem hard to find and the "trout bum"
series is out of my range. Any help appreciated,

I would never fish one of these personally but the Cabela's Three Forks rods
or the Temple Fork Finese series of rods are well within your price range
and offer slower action and some folks seem to like them. Personally I would
either try to stick a few more pennies away or look to the used market for
the older whorvis rods, sage LL or sp series or the Winston IM6. Sage has
just dropped another rod series and the SLT series will be discounted but
not down to $200.

I agree with Wayne but you're not going to find a vintage Sage LL
in your price range. Last I looked on eBay they were going for close
to $500. In addition to the Cabela's and the TFO in the lower price
range you'll want to try the Echo Classic from Tim Rajeff's Echo line:

http://www.echoflyfishing.com/echo_small.php

I've tried this one in the 5wt and it's a decent rod for $140. It's
not a great rod by any means, but for $140 it's decent.


For shame, for shame! Neither of you suggested an old fishable 'boo or
'glass. Heck, any number of decent old rods could be had for under
$200USD.

TC,
R

wrote:
On Wed, 05 Sep 2007 00:42:27 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


Wayne Knight wrote:

wrote:

I'm looking for a medium/slow 5wt. Have a 2pc 8' 6" St. Croix Premier
now and it doesn't fit my casting style that well always feel rushed.
I'm going to check some out and wanted to get some suggestions on what
to look for. I don't have that big of a budget ($200 or less) but
figured I could save some time if I tried rods that fit into the
slower side of action. I have cast a superfine and that was perfect
for me more relaxed, but those seem hard to find and the "trout bum"
series is out of my range. Any help appreciated,

I would never fish one of these personally but the Cabela's Three Forks rods
or the Temple Fork Finese series of rods are well within your price range
and offer slower action and some folks seem to like them. Personally I would
either try to stick a few more pennies away or look to the used market for
the older whorvis rods, sage LL or sp series or the Winston IM6. Sage has
just dropped another rod series and the SLT series will be discounted but
not down to $200.

I agree with Wayne but you're not going to find a vintage Sage LL
in your price range. Last I looked on eBay they were going for close
to $500. In addition to the Cabela's and the TFO in the lower price
range you'll want to try the Echo Classic from Tim Rajeff's Echo line:

http://www.echoflyfishing.com/echo_small.php

I've tried this one in the 5wt and it's a decent rod for $140. It's
not a great rod by any means, but for $140 it's decent.



For shame, for shame! Neither of you suggested an old fishable 'boo or
'glass. Heck, any number of decent old rods could be had for under
$200USD.

TC,
R

the old loomis gl3 was a soft rod and around 200 bucks as i recall. i
had one i liked a lot, but it took flight from the roof of my car one
night after a late evening of fishing the blue ridge with wally and an
old fella from chicago named joel... vodka was an accomplice as i recall.

wrote in message
...

For shame, for shame! Neither of you suggested an old fishable 'boo or
'glass. Heck, any number of decent old rods could be had for under
$200USD.

Look, I have live with the fact that I essentially told the guy to look at a
KPOS or Lefty's break away retirement fund "stick" and compound it with that
post will be on some usenet server long after I'm gone. The guy is new at
this and without a mentor or a stash of alternative sticks and should stay
with what he's comfortable with.

On Sep 4, 8:47 pm, "Wayne Knight" wrote:
wrote in message

...

For shame, for shame! Neither of you suggested an old fishable 'boo or
'glass. Heck, any number of decent old rods could be had for under
$200USD.

Look, I have live with the fact that I essentially told the guy to look at a
KPOS or Lefty's break away retirement fund "stick" and compound it with that
post will be on some usenet server long after I'm gone. The guy is new at
this and without a mentor or a stash of alternative sticks and should stay
with what he's comfortable with.

Thanks for all the replies. I will try overlining and maybe saving up
a few more pennies or trying out some of the suggestions. I bought the
premier on a whim and I can fish with it, have caught some nice fish
with it. But it's not comfortable feels like I'm running down a hill
and alot of concentration ocassionally goes into the timing and my
accuracy suffers a bit. One thing that has suprised me is that I
bought a double taper 5 floating line the other day and I absolutely
cannot cast it well. Wide loops very slow line speeds. I heard that a
double taper will expose some casting flaws and...well I've got some.
THere feels to be no load regarless of arialized line the front taper
is long on it, it's one of those factory overruns and I bought it just
to try it out. Maybe it's rated wrong. I can cast a wf 5wt 40-45feet
tight loops on a good day(but rarely need to)..with this stuff you can
drive your car through my loops.
When I casted with a slower rod I felt like I had more control over
what was happening and it wasn't a reaction thing, like "uh oh gotta
move it foward now!!" this was more like "look at that beautiful line
unrolling behind me... let me light a cigarette then we'll move it
foward"..and it just felt more comfortable...could me my inexperience
or it could be my style....
Thanks for the tips,
Brian