Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
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Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.


Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger

Roger Ohlund wrote:
"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
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Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.



Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger



I'll try that excuse on my wife :-)

Ah, comfort.. I think it is easier to explain what comfort is not, for
me of course :-). In short - comfort is not continuously being eaten
alive by bugs. Whenever I hear the words 'north Sweden' and 'August' in
one sentence, I see huge swarms of tiny, hungry knuts. I hope I'm wrong.
Plus, I like camping, but when I can get a cabin on a fishing trip I
definitely take it. Trips like this are real treats for me, and I like
to experience my treats to the fullest. A chair to sit on and a table to
put my drink make a difference.
While we're on the subject, a sauna and a post-fishing massage by a
voluptuous she-Swede wouldn't hurt either g.

--
Herman, and maybe a pre-fishing massage?

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

Regarding cost: in absolute terms I can afford all 3 options but a drive
from Umea is the most sensible with potentially a helo flight for the final
leg of the journey...rather than a 1st flight to Stockholm + internal flight
+ transfer.
Saxnas might be easier to get to.

If the group is large, fishing space is critical as "combat fishing" is the
last thing in my mind. For me it is about sharing some experiences with a
group but also enjoying the solitude in stunning scenery.
Anymore for anymore?
Jerome


Roger Ohlund wrote in message
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"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
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Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.


Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger

The Leaping Frog wrote:

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

That's it, exactly.
--
Herman

Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Jerome
Herman Nijland wrote in message
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The Leaping Frog wrote:

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one
week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore
limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

That's it, exactly.
--
Herman

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Does this make Herman an old man??

Jerome,

You won't experience "combat fishing" in any of these alternatives. There's
so much space in these locations that if you want you can fish in solitude
for a week.

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

What can I say, nothing is for free but of course destinations like Miekak
cost more than others.
If comfort is an issue than the remote heli and tenting alternative is out.

I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger


Yeah, if we did a 4-night heli-lift, then a 4-night camp stay, people could
choose the whole package (most expensive), the heli-lift only
(middle-price), or just the camp stay (least expensive). But I see your
point: 4 days heli-lift and 4 days camp stay is more expensive than 8 days
heli-lift alone. Hmm, if it had to be one or the other, I think I'd want to
do a heli-lift alone, as it would be more exotic, for sure. And a fly-in and
tents might actually be cheaper than staying at a lodge for a week. However,
won't that limit the amount of area we can fish? Do you know areas with
several accessible rivers on foot (and not on those damn slippery, tilting
rocks that we had last year!)

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day
trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger


Yeah, if we did a 4-night heli-lift, then a 4-night camp stay, people
could
choose the whole package (most expensive), the heli-lift only
(middle-price), or just the camp stay (least expensive). But I see your
point: 4 days heli-lift and 4 days camp stay is more expensive than 8 days
heli-lift alone. Hmm, if it had to be one or the other, I think I'd want
to
do a heli-lift alone, as it would be more exotic, for sure. And a fly-in
and
tents might actually be cheaper than staying at a lodge for a week.
However,
won't that limit the amount of area we can fish? Do you know areas with
several accessible rivers on foot (and not on those damn slippery, tilting
rocks that we had last year!)

--riverman



I know several such places, one of the best is the same river that we were
last year but high up the mountains. Another would be the area that Vaughan
suggested, Tavvaeatnu, Ghorvejokk and Ittejohka.
Add to this list most of the mountain waters found on the website that I put
together.

It seems to me that Miekak is more or less scratched from the list of
alternatives.
Either we go to Saxnas and each and every one has the choice of living
quarters after their own needs, or we choose the wilderness alternative and
several of the interested will stay at home.

Either way it seems both alternatives would be possible to do without long
way visitors needing to fix tents if they choose to live in such.

/Roger

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:56:26 +0100, "Roger Ohlund"
wrote:

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

Roger, don't let me constrain your choices. The main reason I'd like
to keep the costs down is so I could (if the timing is right between
college schedules) bring my two younger sons along. My youngest was at
the Baltic clave, and already has met Myron, Jarmo and Herman.
--
Charlie...

Roger, Herman,

Actually the old man is myself if anything (not true at all, just getting
wiser from the top of my 33 years)! It would be a bit steep to make comments
about Herman that I do not even know.

To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Regards
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Does this make Herman an old man??

Jerome,

You won't experience "combat fishing" in any of these alternatives.
There's
so much space in these locations that if you want you can fish in solitude
for a week.

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

What can I say, nothing is for free but of course destinations like Miekak
cost more than others.
If comfort is an issue than the remote heli and tenting alternative is
out.

I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger