Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.

Roger Ohlund wrote:
"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.



Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger



I'll try that excuse on my wife :-)

Ah, comfort.. I think it is easier to explain what comfort is not, for
me of course :-). In short - comfort is not continuously being eaten
alive by bugs. Whenever I hear the words 'north Sweden' and 'August' in
one sentence, I see huge swarms of tiny, hungry knuts. I hope I'm wrong.
Plus, I like camping, but when I can get a cabin on a fishing trip I
definitely take it. Trips like this are real treats for me, and I like
to experience my treats to the fullest. A chair to sit on and a table to
put my drink make a difference.
While we're on the subject, a sauna and a post-fishing massage by a
voluptuous she-Swede wouldn't hurt either g.

--
Herman, and maybe a pre-fishing massage?

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

Regarding cost: in absolute terms I can afford all 3 options but a drive
from Umea is the most sensible with potentially a helo flight for the final
leg of the journey...rather than a 1st flight to Stockholm + internal flight
+ transfer.
Saxnas might be easier to get to.

If the group is large, fishing space is critical as "combat fishing" is the
last thing in my mind. For me it is about sharing some experiences with a
group but also enjoying the solitude in stunning scenery.
Anymore for anymore?
Jerome


Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...

"Herman Nijland" wrote in message
...

Let me make it a tad easier for you then.. Since cost and comfort are an
issue for me, I'd go for option 3.
Chances are I'll be decorating and painting my new house by then, but if
there's any way I can make it I will be there.


Consider the fact that you'll be doing a much nicer job at painting and
decorating if you go fishing for a week before.
I can see how cost can be an issue but what kind of comfort issue are we
talking here?

/Roger

The Leaping Frog wrote:

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

That's it, exactly.
--
Herman

Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Jerome
Herman Nijland wrote in message
...
The Leaping Frog wrote:

Comfort as in "my back won't like sleeping on the hard floor for one
week"
whislt the intensive fishing is usually enough to provide a few sore
limbs.
Recuperating is quite crucial after 15h fishing a day at odd times.
However I have to say that staying in a remote place is really what I am
after and if the package appeals and tents is the group consensus I will
probably end up going along. Just for the fun of meeting you guys.

That's it, exactly.
--
Herman

HA ha, i think I know where you mean by sand ridge country: Råstojaure?

The guide we fished with this year in Malung was quite fond of this area..
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

For us southerners....i.e. folks that far removed from the arctic circle,
the extended daylight could be a problem.

Around these parts, when it gets to dark see, you are usually done drinking
because you can't see anyhow.

How would one know when to put the cork in the jug? That far north at that
time of the year a fellow like me wouldn't get any sleep at all....could be
dangerous....

john ....I've always wanted to be buried next to a wooly mammoth...

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
...
I must be mad.......
Or it might be the fact that we had a good time this year.

Here goes:
I'm starting to plan for another clave in Swedish Lapland and after some
discussions with Vaughan and Jarmo plus some indications from Myron I have
come up with three alternatives.

#1. We try for a place as remote as possible. We're talking helicopter, as
the only other option would be to walk for two - three days. Usually this
would mean a cost of about US$ 300 per person and the need for tents ( +
expenses for food and permits ). This would either be the sand ridge
country
(so far north that the Arctic Circle is way distant in the south), or the
upper reaches of river Laisan.

#2. We fly in and live at one of the most remote fishing camps in Sweden,
also way north of the Arctic Circle. The price would then amount to about
US$ 585 per person ( + expenses for food and permits ). This alternative
is
the Miekak fishing camp.

#3. We fish an area famous for its excellent fishing and reachable by car.
There are 5 different creeks in the area. Cost? Well, fishing permits of
course and if you feel like living at a mountain resort that can be fixed
but will cost some, whilst tents are more or less free (if you own one).
Also cost for food. This alternative is the area around Saxnas village in
the municipality of Vilhelmina.

All three destinations hold trout fishing and destinations #2 - #3 also
hold
Arctic Char (and #1 if we aim for the sand ridge country).
A week's permit is around US$ 30 for most destinations.

The preferred time for this clave would be the beginning of August.

It's early yet and I thought to ask what interest there might be and in
what
kind of destination. Also, if there is some questions from the interested
I'll
try to answer those.

/ Roger
Daytime engineer
Lifetime flyfisherman
If you feel like it, visit http://biphome.spray.se/angler/ for info on
flyfishing in northern Sweden, Lapland

On 28 Oct 2003 02:19:17 GMT, "asadi"
wrote:

For us southerners....i.e. folks that far removed from the arctic circle,
the extended daylight could be a problem.

Around these parts, when it gets to dark see, you are usually done drinking
because you can't see anyhow.

How would one know when to put the cork in the jug? That far north at that
time of the year a fellow like me wouldn't get any sleep at all....could be
dangerous....

john ....I've always wanted to be buried next to a wooly mammoth...



John, my buddy, I've had this experience in the Canadian North --
it's otherworldly -- a man of your tremendous appetite for experience
would no doubt, enjoy the nuances of working out this conundrum in
person.

I solved it inadvertently by not bringing enough to drink. I'm sure
that other ROFFians here, including yourself, would make no such
mistake. I contented myself with coming off the water at midnight and
returning at 3 am -- it was too bright to sleep.

Peter

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...
The region I remember is Tulppio. I'd go back there in a heartbeat.

--riverman


Could be done. Jarmo? Osmo?

Vaughan et al.

Sounds good for me: But as Roger said, he is not going to be the
clavemaister!
My resources are also limited but I could try to help as much as possible.

Tulppio is place, where there are several rivers reachable as Myron
mentioned:
Nuorttijoki, Sotajoki, Tulppiojoki, etc.

What becomes to Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, for me such a low cost option
like #3 is good. I am ready to live in tent but a sauna at least twice
during the week
out there would be more than desireable! What you think about a tent sauna,
swimming
in a cool river and take beer, whisky?

OsmoJ

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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HA ha, i think I know where you mean by sand ridge country: Råstojaure?


Yep, with rivers Rostoueatnu, Tavvaeatnu, Harrejokk, Ghorvvejokk and
Ittejohka.

/Roger

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Does this make Herman an old man??

Jerome,

You won't experience "combat fishing" in any of these alternatives. There's
so much space in these locations that if you want you can fish in solitude
for a week.

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

What can I say, nothing is for free but of course destinations like Miekak
cost more than others.
If comfort is an issue than the remote heli and tenting alternative is out.

I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger