Swedish Lapland Clave 2004, first step.

"asadi" wrote in message
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For us southerners....i.e. folks that far removed from the arctic circle,
the extended daylight could be a problem.

Around these parts, when it gets to dark see, you are usually done
drinking
because you can't see anyhow.

How would one know when to put the cork in the jug? That far north at that
time of the year a fellow like me wouldn't get any sleep at all....could
be
dangerous....

john ....I've always wanted to be buried next to a wooly mammoth...

If we go to far north we would be hard pressed trying to bury you,
permafrost and all ;-)

I think Jerome aka "The leaping frog" once told me that on his first trip to
northern Sweden he forgot about sleeping and finally more or less collapsed.

My answer to your question regading alcohol consumption is:
Buy really expensive whiskey, that way you won't be able to drink all of it
yourself since we all will be helping you ;-) and hence the
overconsumption is but a theory.

/Roger

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger


Yeah, if we did a 4-night heli-lift, then a 4-night camp stay, people could
choose the whole package (most expensive), the heli-lift only
(middle-price), or just the camp stay (least expensive). But I see your
point: 4 days heli-lift and 4 days camp stay is more expensive than 8 days
heli-lift alone. Hmm, if it had to be one or the other, I think I'd want to
do a heli-lift alone, as it would be more exotic, for sure. And a fly-in and
tents might actually be cheaper than staying at a lodge for a week. However,
won't that limit the amount of area we can fish? Do you know areas with
several accessible rivers on foot (and not on those damn slippery, tilting
rocks that we had last year!)

--riverman

"riverman" wrote in message
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"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day
trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger


Yeah, if we did a 4-night heli-lift, then a 4-night camp stay, people
could
choose the whole package (most expensive), the heli-lift only
(middle-price), or just the camp stay (least expensive). But I see your
point: 4 days heli-lift and 4 days camp stay is more expensive than 8 days
heli-lift alone. Hmm, if it had to be one or the other, I think I'd want
to
do a heli-lift alone, as it would be more exotic, for sure. And a fly-in
and
tents might actually be cheaper than staying at a lodge for a week.
However,
won't that limit the amount of area we can fish? Do you know areas with
several accessible rivers on foot (and not on those damn slippery, tilting
rocks that we had last year!)

--riverman



I know several such places, one of the best is the same river that we were
last year but high up the mountains. Another would be the area that Vaughan
suggested, Tavvaeatnu, Ghorvejokk and Ittejohka.
Add to this list most of the mountain waters found on the website that I put
together.

It seems to me that Miekak is more or less scratched from the list of
alternatives.
Either we go to Saxnas and each and every one has the choice of living
quarters after their own needs, or we choose the wilderness alternative and
several of the interested will stay at home.

Either way it seems both alternatives would be possible to do without long
way visitors needing to fix tents if they choose to live in such.

/Roger

"Roger Ohlund" kirjoitti viestissä
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I think Jerome aka "The leaping frog" once told me that on his first trip
to
northern Sweden he forgot about sleeping and finally more or less
collapsed.


The saami people in northern Finland normally work or visit neighbors
at night at summertime, because there is light all the time and it is not so
hot and not so much of those blood sucking small friends around.

The need of the sleep is smaller also at summertime because of the light.
But at wintertime there is dark all the time. This is the time of the year
that
saami people hibernate like bears or take buse. If they open a bottle, they
normally loose the cork in the darkness and the contents of the bottle has
to be destroyed
totally because the botle can not be closed without a cork!

OsmoJ

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003 08:56:26 +0100, "Roger Ohlund"
wrote:

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

Roger, don't let me constrain your choices. The main reason I'd like
to keep the costs down is so I could (if the timing is right between
college schedules) bring my two younger sons along. My youngest was at
the Baltic clave, and already has met Myron, Jarmo and Herman.
--
Charlie...

Roger, Herman,

Actually the old man is myself if anything (not true at all, just getting
wiser from the top of my 33 years)! It would be a bit steep to make comments
about Herman that I do not even know.

To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Regards
Jerome
Roger Ohlund wrote in message
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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Thanks Herman, I nearly felt like an old man saying that.

Does this make Herman an old man??

Jerome,

You won't experience "combat fishing" in any of these alternatives.
There's
so much space in these locations that if you want you can fish in solitude
for a week.

I'm getting a sense that it's all about money. I know Osmo, Stefan, Herman
and "Charlie Choc" consider this to be an issue.
It is after all an issue, I would myself have to start putting aside money
right now, but it would be worth it though.

What can I say, nothing is for free but of course destinations like Miekak
cost more than others.
If comfort is an issue than the remote heli and tenting alternative is
out.

I think Myron, and you, proposed a couple of days heli lift and the rest
in
a camp. That could be done, only thing is that we would have to pick a
cheap
camp since the heli lift is just as expensive if you're on a two day trip
as
on a seven day trip.

/Roger

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely
not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems
ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Jerome,

Well, I didn't put Tjuonajokk on the list because I've already caught
grayling of such size that most of you wouldn't beleive me if I told you
;-)

To be perfectly honest, as opposed to my first sentence in this response, it
is like this, Tjuonajokk does have trout and Arctic char in the area BUT the
grayling is very dominant and I for one would like to catch more trout and
char than grayling.

Writing off Miekak wouldn't mean that you won't be able to catch char
Jerome, it only means not doing it at Miekak.
As you saw from my trip reports about Ransaran the Saxnas area will provide
you with trophy Arctic char. To catch them is another issue completely ;-)
(AND I haven't completely written off Miekak)

I've started to write down thoughts that will help me decide where to go. In
any case I will try to make it a memorable clave in beatuiful surroundings
with plenty of fish. How's that for a starter?

/Roger

make it a memorable clave in beatuiful surroundings with plenty of fish.
How's that for a starter?
Well, sounds fantastic and that is exactly why I regularly - this morning
again- go and check rivers and TR on your web site! I feel I will probably
learn a lot from the clave menbers and that is part of the satisfaction from
me.

Ok, I understand for Tjuonajokk. I also get the impression that catching
fish over there is less of a challenge...and certainly less than catching
char by the look of your experience and other comments I read.

I have a number of friends who have shown interest in previous years in
going to Lapland. Can I assume there is no issue in spreading the word?

all the best
Jerome

Roger Ohlund wrote in message
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
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To confuse you even more Roger with clavers comments, I would definitely
not
write Miekak off. Because I have never caught a char and Miekak seems
ideal
for that and also less marketed and less known than Tjuonajokk, it is
very
tempting.

I have no issue with the money.
Coming back with my question about Tjuonajokk: how come it is not on
your
list of options? My friend who went to both camps last year felt I would
enjoy Tjuonajokk more than Miekak?

Jerome,

Well, I didn't put Tjuonajokk on the list because I've already caught
grayling of such size that most of you wouldn't beleive me if I told you
;-)

To be perfectly honest, as opposed to my first sentence in this response,
it
is like this, Tjuonajokk does have trout and Arctic char in the area BUT
the
grayling is very dominant and I for one would like to catch more trout and
char than grayling.

Writing off Miekak wouldn't mean that you won't be able to catch char
Jerome, it only means not doing it at Miekak.
As you saw from my trip reports about Ransaran the Saxnas area will
provide
you with trophy Arctic char. To catch them is another issue completely
;-)
(AND I haven't completely written off Miekak)

I've started to write down thoughts that will help me decide where to go.
In
any case I will try to make it a memorable clave in beatuiful surroundings
with plenty of fish. How's that for a starter?

/Roger

"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...

Well, sounds fantastic and that is exactly why I regularly - this morning
again- go and check rivers and TR on your web site! I feel I will probably
learn a lot from the clave menbers and that is part of the satisfaction
from
me.

Ok, I understand for Tjuonajokk. I also get the impression that catching
fish over there is less of a challenge...and certainly less than catching
char by the look of your experience and other comments I read.

I have a number of friends who have shown interest in previous years in
going to Lapland. Can I assume there is no issue in spreading the word?


No issue for me. You might want to wait until it's decided where to hold the
clave though.

/Roger

"Roger Ohlund" wrote in message
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"The Leaping Frog" wrote in message
...

Well, sounds fantastic and that is exactly why I regularly - this
morning
again- go and check rivers and TR on your web site! I feel I will
probably
learn a lot from the clave menbers and that is part of the satisfaction
from
me.

Ok, I understand for Tjuonajokk. I also get the impression that catching
fish over there is less of a challenge...and certainly less than
catching
char by the look of your experience and other comments I read.

I have a number of friends who have shown interest in previous years in
going to Lapland. Can I assume there is no issue in spreading the word?


No issue for me. You might want to wait until it's decided where to hold
the
clave though.


And be sure to tell the newbies that they have to bring the whiskey. Don't
want any shortages like last year!!

--riverman