Sandy?

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 10:50:41 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:06:32 -0600, wrote:

And on that note and just as an aside, I took your "flaming"
as generally good-natured until your reply to Tim, and while you have
may have meant it good-naturedly, I can see how others might have it
otherwise.

Well, how very generous of you. I repeat, I was not flaming or name
calling anyone. Sandy and I had a civil conversation. Period. If
there was any name calling in that thread, except jerk, it was Willi,
not me. And Tim is a fool and a jerk.

OK...now re-read your own reply, above. About the only thing that
stands out to me as being even arguably or remotely correct is that
Willi said in the thread, but not in the reply in question, that it
seemed you were turning into a sour old man. He didn't even say that
_were_ one, only that it seemed you were turning into one. Moreover,
that would not be relevant. And I'd offer that in the case instant
before the court of public opinion, a sound strategy would not include
an attempt to except your use of "jerk," but hell, with juries these
days, hey, it might work...good luck, you'll need it.

Sandy's opinion of the "conversation" would be his, and since there is
no information as of yet as to what that may be, there's no way to
comment on that as being correct (or incorrect).

IAC, Willi made no comment in the reply in question about any
conversation. Moreover, he made no comment on how the thing got started
or progressed. As such, could not have "lied" (or have been right or
wrong) about things he didn't even mention. He only made comments about
the thread being "flamed," how it was "finalized," and by whom. Since
it may be debated as to whether "flamed" and "finalized" are accurate
descriptives, the comments themselves aren't subject to a true/false
test. The only "fact" he submitted, and thereby subject to a true/false
test, was that you had "name-called." Let's look at the evidence. You
called Tim "Jerk." and admit that you called Tim "Jerk." I'd say either
hope that your appellate counsel is better than your trial counsel or
the jury of your peers...on second thought, maybe you ought to just jump
bail now - I'd say it's your only shot at freedom...

HTH,
R

Dave

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:11:27 -0800, Mike
wrote:

On 9 Nov, 16:50, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 09:06:32 -0600, wrote:
And on that note and just as an aside, I took your "flaming"
as generally good-natured until your reply to Tim, and while you have
may have meant it good-naturedly, I can see how others might have it
otherwise.

Well, how very generous of you. I repeat, I was not flaming or name
calling anyone. Sandy and I had a civil conversation. Period. If
there was any name calling in that thread, except jerk, it was Willi,
not me. And Tim is a fool and a jerk.

Dave

You are lying again LaCourse. It has been proven beyond all shadow of
doubt that you are lying, by showing you your own words, but still you
continue to lie, bull****, and backpedal.

There is no way out of it, you are a dishonourable liar.

Oh, irony, thy is a nun-beating nappy-headed Nazi homo ho fishing with
your urinal-licking dead junkie brother at his club in the England to
which you've never returned...

Dickie boy

MC

On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:14:28 -0800, Mike
wrote:

I am not going to leave LaCourse. It was a serious mistake to leave
and allow assholes like you to take over this place. You are a
disgrace LaCourse, to this group, to fly-fishing and to any decent
person.

I am going to keep on challenging your lies and bull****, until you
cease, leave, or die LaCourse. There is no way out of it.

Sure you are, Mike, exposing even further your pathology, your
psychotic behavior, your pompous arrogant attitude, your belief that
no one knows diddly squat about fly fishing except you.

Someone who has defended you recently will disagree with something you
say in the future and you will blow up. You have a history of it.
Remember when *I* was a friend? Remember when most of roff was
friendly toward you? But then the one person disagreed with you, you
had a major blow up, and swishh, you were gone. You came back and the
same thing happened. I do not expect a leopard to change its spots,
and I do not expect you to change either. Someone will disagree and
you will be unable to handle it. Wait..........

LaCourse

On 9 Nov, 20:26, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 08:14:28 -0800, Mike
wrote:

I am not going to leave LaCourse. It was a serious mistake to leave
and allow assholes like you to take over this place. You are a
disgrace LaCourse, to this group, to fly-fishing and to any decent
person.

I am going to keep on challenging your lies and bull****, until you
cease, leave, or die LaCourse. There is no way out of it.

Sure you are, Mike, exposing even further your pathology, your
psychotic behavior, your pompous arrogant attitude, your belief that
no one knows diddly squat about fly fishing except you.

Someone who has defended you recently will disagree with something you
say in the future and you will blow up. You have a history of it.
Remember when *I* was a friend? Remember when most of roff was
friendly toward you? But then the one person disagreed with you, you
had a major blow up, and swishh, you were gone. You came back and the
same thing happened. I do not expect a leopard to change its spots,
and I do not expect you to change either. Someone will disagree and
you will be unable to handle it. Wait..........

LaCourse

Several thousand people a day read my posts on fly-fishing to various
boards, and on my website. Hundreds of people write to thank me for
the information I provide. I don´t lie and I don´t bull**** like you
LaCourse. I have absolutely no reason to.

Although I am very well versed in fly-fishing and related subjects, I
am not foolish enough to believe that I even know a fraction of what
there is to know, which is one reason I like to discuss it with others
like Willi and a couple of others here, who are also extremely
knowledgeable and experienced and have different experiences and
outlooks to mine. I also like to help others if I can, by giving them
concise and correct information when the question lies within my areas
of expertise.

You are not one of those knowledgeable people LaCourse, and your
opinion on most things is apparently quite worthless.. You are merely
a blustering blackguard trying to impress others by lying,
bull****ting and denigrating others. You are a severe nuisance who
constantly ruins other people´s enjoyment of more or less anything on
here. You are so ignorant about fishing, among other things, that it
is quite painful, ( and doubtless even amusing for some) to watch.

You are basically not in a position to disagree with anybody on here
about fishing, you just don´t know enough about it, and you also
hinder newbies who want to learn things by posting bull****, lies,
personal attacks and self-aggrandising crap.

What may have happened in the past is irrelevant LaCourse, you can´t
change it, what you do now is of far greater importance.

Your various predictions are about as much use as your other opinions,
more or less totally worthless, except as bad examples.

MC

On 9-Nov-2007, Mike wrote:

I am not going to leave LaCourse. It was a serious mistake to leave
and allow assholes like you to take over this place. You are a
disgrace LaCourse, to this group, to fly-fishing and to any decent
person.

I am going to keep on challenging your lies and bull****, until you
cease, leave, or die LaCourse. There is no way out of it.


Several thousand people a day read my posts on fly-fishing to various
boards, and on my website. Hundreds of people write to thank me for
the information I provide. I don´t lie and I don´t bull**** like you
LaCourse. I have absolutely no reason to.

Although I am very well versed in fly-fishing and related subjects, I
am not foolish enough to believe that I even know a fraction of what
there is to know, which is one reason I like to discuss it with others
like Willi and a couple of others here, who are also extremely
knowledgeable and experienced and have different experiences and
outlooks to mine. I also like to help others if I can, by giving them
concise and correct information when the question lies within my areas
of expertise.
You are basically not in a position to disagree with anybody on here
about fishing, you just don´t know enough about it, and you also
hinder newbies who want to learn things by posting bull****, lies,
personal attacks and self-aggrandising crap.
MC

Yo Mike - A plea!
Please understand that I am not implying that its your fault- it is not!

Quit responding to these attacks and they will have to stop
All of you are cluttering the list w this BS
You do seem to be a very knowledgeable fly fisherman and we can surely use
your info and advice on ROFF

But between informational posts
There is so much bull**** and fighting between you, Ken Fortenberry and Dave
Lacourse that one has tio filter it out
Even when a newbie asks a reasonable question it starts a flaming war
Ken posted about his hound passing away - a sad post at that
And it started a flaming war
Someone should stop this crap
Why don't -you start

Don't respond to them
Ignore it
and You will certainly get the respect of all on this list that you probably
do deserve for your knowlege

Ken and Dave you both seem fairly reasonable
I have had my disagreements w both of you but man
This is just a fishing newsgroup
It is NOT about personal attacks or life and death

Please stop

Thanks
Fred

Hello ,

On 9-Nov-2007, Mike wrote:

I am not going to leave LaCourse. It was a serious mistake to leave

and allow assholes like you to take over this place. You are a
disgrace LaCourse, to this group, to fly-fishing and to any decent
person.

I am going to keep on challenging your lies and bull****, until you
cease, leave, or die LaCourse. There is no way out of it.

Several thousand people a day read my posts on fly-fishing to various
boards, and on my website. Hundreds of people write to thank me for
the information I provide. I don´t lie and I don´t bull**** like you
LaCourse. I have absolutely no reason to.

Although I am very well versed in fly-fishing and related subjects, I
am not foolish enough to believe that I even know a fraction of what
there is to know, which is one reason I like to discuss it with
others
like Willi and a couple of others here, who are also extremely
knowledgeable and experienced and have different experiences and
outlooks to mine. I also like to help others if I can, by giving them
concise and correct information when the question lies within my
areas
of expertise.
You are basically not in a position to disagree with anybody on here
about fishing, you just don´t know enough about it, and you also
hinder newbies who want to learn things by posting bull****, lies,
personal attacks and self-aggrandising crap.
MC
Yo Mike - A plea!
Please understand that I am not implying that its your fault- it is
not!
Quit responding to these attacks and they will have to stop
All of you are cluttering the list w this BS
You do seem to be a very knowledgeable fly fisherman and we can surely
use
your info and advice on ROFF
But between informational posts
There is so much bull**** and fighting between you, Ken Fortenberry
and Dave
Lacourse that one has tio filter it out
Even when a newbie asks a reasonable question it starts a flaming war
Ken posted about his hound passing away - a sad post at that
And it started a flaming war
Someone should stop this crap
Why don't -you start
Don't respond to them
Ignore it
and You will certainly get the respect of all on this list that you
probably
do deserve for your knowlege
Ken and Dave you both seem fairly reasonable
I have had my disagreements w both of you but man
This is just a fishing newsgroup
It is NOT about personal attacks or life and death
Please stop

Thanks
Fred

amen to that and thanks for a breath of fresh air

now if wishing only made it happen

On 9 Nov, 23:20, wrote:
On 9-Nov-2007, Mike wrote:



I am not going to leave LaCourse. It was a serious mistake to leave
and allow assholes like you to take over this place. You are a
disgrace LaCourse, to this group, to fly-fishing and to any decent
person.

I am going to keep on challenging your lies and bull****, until you
cease, leave, or die LaCourse. There is no way out of it.

Several thousand people a day read my posts on fly-fishing to various
boards, and on my website. Hundreds of people write to thank me for
the information I provide. I don´t lie and I don´t bull**** like you
LaCourse. I have absolutely no reason to.

Although I am very well versed in fly-fishing and related subjects, I
am not foolish enough to believe that I even know a fraction of what
there is to know, which is one reason I like to discuss it with others
like Willi and a couple of others here, who are also extremely
knowledgeable and experienced and have different experiences and
outlooks to mine. I also like to help others if I can, by giving them
concise and correct information when the question lies within my areas
of expertise.
You are basically not in a position to disagree with anybody on here
about fishing, you just don´t know enough about it, and you also
hinder newbies who want to learn things by posting bull****, lies,
personal attacks and self-aggrandising crap.
MC

Yo Mike - A plea!
Please understand that I am not implying that its your fault- it is not!

Quit responding to these attacks and they will have to stop
All of you are cluttering the list w this BS
You do seem to be a very knowledgeable fly fisherman and we can surely use
your info and advice on ROFF

But between informational posts
There is so much bull**** and fighting between you, Ken Fortenberry and Dave
Lacourse that one has tio filter it out
Even when a newbie asks a reasonable question it starts a flaming war
Ken posted about his hound passing away - a sad post at that
And it started a flaming war
Someone should stop this crap
Why don't -you start

Don't respond to them
Ignore it
and You will certainly get the respect of all on this list that you probably
do deserve for your knowlege

Ken and Dave you both seem fairly reasonable
I have had my disagreements w both of you but man
This is just a fishing newsgroup
It is NOT about personal attacks or life and death

Please stop

Thanks
Fred

Actually, I basically agree with you. It just never did any good.

TL
MC

On 9-Nov-2007, Mike wrote:

Actually, I basically agree with you. It just never did any good.

TL
MC

So Stop replying to them - please - and if they continue to attack you -
They will be exposed

This goes to all 3 of you
Lets please have a modicum of common sense here.
Someone has to to take the initiative and stop this

It is really just a lot of BS and drivel about fly fishing
Its really only fishing.

Letstalk more about fishing
I know that I can rant and rave on politics - drool as some say
The present crew in officer really **** me off - to put it mildly
but I do try and control it

You don't need it - Dave doesn't need it niether does Ken Fortenberry need
it

No one needs this least of all new readers to ROFF

Thanks
Fred

On Nov 8, 12:45 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.

A thread about Hopper patterns without his comments on the best foam or use
of Superglue to attach inverted trailing hooks just seems naked g.

Hope you've just matured to the point of leaving UseNet behind, Sandy, and
are are well.

Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I haven't logged in for a month or so.
No, I didn't leave in a snit. I just left.

Probably be a month or more before I log in again.
There are (still) a fair number of knowledgeable, helpful
posters here. But the numbers continue to shrink.
The signal to noise ratio gets worse, and the noise makers
continue to dominate the discussions.

Been hanging out in the woodworking and programming groups.
comp.lang.this.and.that have their share of cyber muggers too.
The main difference there is they (like J. Stuckle on comp.lang.php
and/or A. Dingley on stylesheets, rdf or xml ) do know what they're
talking about.

salmobytes wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Larry L wrote:
As I scroll and delete I notice that Sandy hasn't posted here or to the
tying forum lately.

Pittendrigh left in a snit after he failed to reform roff
to his own standards of Usenet "maturity". You can email
him at Bozo U., (Montana State University, Bozeman), he's
in the book.

I haven't logged in for a month or so.
No, I didn't leave in a snit. I just left.

Probably be a month or more before I log in again. ...

Well, you know what they say, watch out the door don't hit
ya where the dog shoulda bit ya.

--
Ken Fortenberry