OT Happy Birthday...

Frank Reid wrote:

There were four officers that I met in my Air Force career that I told
"any time, any place," i.e. I would gladly serve under them anywhere.

I met four backup singers who sang with Tina Turner and I told
them the exact same thing.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On 13 Nov, 04:30, "J & D Moe" wrote:


Most likely none of them were Roffians..............

TL
MC

**** YOU MIKE!

Tsk tsk.............according to Mr.Fortenberry you are too thin
skinned to be using electronic forums.

MC

Lazarus Cooke wrote in
news:131120070037251381%lazaruscooke@britishlibrar y.invalid:

In article , Frank
Church wrote:

This post was to honor our US Marine Corps,


Well why did you pick an international fly-fishing group to do so?

US marines aren't very popular in much of the world (although I like
many of them personally very much. And my daughter's English ex, whom
I'm very fond of, has been serving in Iraq and afghanistan for the past
two years, and I wish him well. )

You must have noticed that Afghan, Palestinian & Iranian roffians have
all had the decency to refrain from using this ng to praise their own
paramilitaries. Couldn't you have done the same?

and given some of your
leftist posts in the past

Eh? name one. I'm not leftist. I'm centrist.

Maybe you're rightist?

Lazarus

Well Lazarus old boy, perhaps you didn't notice the OT in the subject line?
After the off topic crap that has been posted in this slagheap for way too
long now, I at least led off with OT (actually lately, OT should be
required when someone posts about flyfishing) Personally, I could give a
crap about what you or anyone else thinks of our Marines or other armed
forces for that matter.
I can understand why any Afghan, Palestinian & Iranian roffians (if there
are any) haven't posted to praise their "paramilitaries." smirk

Frank Sr.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 00:22:57 +0000, Lazarus Cooke
wrote:

In article ,
wrote:


And the view of his friend and cameraman, Daniel Demoustier, who was
there and survived:

" I think it was a tragic accident."

Was it? I don't know, but I'd offer the word of a "friendly witness"
carries more weight than that of a politically-motivated contract
coroner (and for those who don't know, Mr. - NOT Dr. - Webster, the
coroner, is a barrister, not a medical doctor).


Well at least, RDean, you've done your homework, which as far as I'm
concerned is 95% of the problem. On the whole, I'm happy to disagree
with anyone who's bothered to check the facts.

On the other hand - you're not a lawyer or anything, are you?

Cos that quote was very selective.

I wasn't trying to be "selective" and I think that is evidenced by my
also not including what is, if we are going to get in the minutiae of
the event, perhaps the most telling part: the u-turn information.

You quoted 'I think it was a tragic accident.'

The full quote is:

I think it was a tragic accident. But why weren¹t they (the Americans)
professional enough to hit the right cars? They kept firing at our car-
I¹m angry about that now. But they must have been able to see the TV
markings. We were visible the whole time, we were only a few hundred
metres away.
The French ambassador in Kuwait told me he thinks the Americans kept
shooting at me because they wanted to eliminate the evidence. That
could mean they have deliberately buried the bodies of the others if
they were hit too. .

The _full_ quote, huh? Er, no...

The _FULL_ quote is:

"I think it was a tragic accident. But why weren't they (the Americans)
professional enough to hit the right cars? They kept firing at our car-
I'm angry about that now. But they must have been able to see the TV
markings. We were visible the whole time, we were only a few hundred
metres away.
The French ambassador in Kuwait told me he thinks the Americans kept
shooting at me because they wanted to eliminate the evidence. That
could mean they have deliberately buried the bodies of the others if
they were hit too.
_Did we make any mistakes? The only thing I keep thinking about is that
we should not have made the U-turn. Maybe that was a mistake, but at the
time it seemed the sensible thing to do._" (Emp. add.)

IOW, these guys turned around with armed vehicles and not only appeared
to be, but actually were traveling right with enemy combatants openly
displaying and firing weapons. Moreover, they were doing it after
choosing to be unilateral rather than embedded, so no field troops, US,
UK, or otherwise knew anything about them being in the sector. Even if
the US forces could see the "TV markings," and he didn't say they
_could_, only that he thought "they must have been able to" do so. I'd
offer that under the circumstances, they certainly didn't appear to
legit journalists, especially considering that Saddam/Baathist forces
were even using Red Cross/Crescent markings in attempts to get to
coalition forces.

Simply put, his assessment that it was "a tragic accident" seems right
on the money. His speculation on what the US forces may or may not have
seen and what they should have done if they had, in fact, seen certain
things, while certainly worthy of consideration, doesn't offer a
complete view of the overall situation.

TC,
R



Lazarus

"Mike" wrote in message
ups.com...
On 13 Nov, 04:30, "J & D Moe" wrote:


Most likely none of them were Roffians..............

TL
MC

**** YOU MIKE!

Tsk tsk.............according to Mr.Fortenberry you are too thin
skinned to be using electronic forums.

MC

Nah.. he is just tired of your stupid ****.. So Go **** your hand Mike..

On Mon, 12 Nov 2007 17:52:05 -0800, Mike
wrote:

On 13 Nov, 02:41, rw wrote:

Among the "loads" of Marines you've met, Lazarus, how many were
charming, intelligent, and sincere? Percentage-wise? Just a guess.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

My cousin was a marine, 42 Commando Royal Marines. I met a lot of his
comrades. They were nice enough unless you tried to mess them about,
which some fool always did.

Ah...so your current mental status is the result of a royal commandoing
or three...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, I know, you're calling luef-nenent somesuch,
Dickie boy

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:52:45 GMT, Frank Church
wrote:

Lazarus Cooke wrote in
news:131120070037251381%lazaruscooke@britishlibra ry.invalid:

In article , Frank
Church wrote:

This post was to honor our US Marine Corps,


Well why did you pick an international fly-fishing group to do so?

US marines aren't very popular in much of the world (although I like
many of them personally very much. And my daughter's English ex, whom
I'm very fond of, has been serving in Iraq and afghanistan for the past
two years, and I wish him well. )

You must have noticed that Afghan, Palestinian & Iranian roffians have
all had the decency to refrain from using this ng to praise their own
paramilitaries. Couldn't you have done the same?

and given some of your
leftist posts in the past

Eh? name one. I'm not leftist. I'm centrist.

Maybe you're rightist?

Lazarus

Well Lazarus old boy, perhaps you didn't notice the OT in the subject line?
After the off topic crap that has been posted in this slagheap for way too
long now, I at least led off with OT (actually lately, OT should be
required when someone posts about flyfishing) Personally, I could give a
crap about what you or anyone else thinks of our Marines or other armed
forces for that matter.
I can understand why any Afghan, Palestinian & Iranian roffians (if there
are any) haven't posted to praise their "paramilitaries." smirk

Reminds me of a joke...

A famous arms dealer had some Hakims for sale...never fired, only
dropped in sand once...

TC,
R

Frank Sr.

On Tue, 13 Nov 2007 03:35:57 GMT, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Frank Reid wrote:

There were four officers that I met in my Air Force career that I told
"any time, any place," i.e. I would gladly serve under them anywhere.

I met four backup singers who sang with Tina Turner and I told
them the exact same thing.

Yeah, well, be careful...I told Angelina that, too, and every time "big
Brad" is, um, out with Matt Damon, she won't leave me alone...

TC,
R

Lazarus Cooke wrote:
In article , rw
wrote:



That's a quasi-racist stereotype. :-)

It's like "Some of my best friends are Marines."

Among the "loads" of Marines you've met, Lazarus, how many were
charming, intelligent, and sincere? Percentage-wise? Just a guess.


Dammit, Royal

(or should that be 'Mr Wulff'?')

none of the ones I spoke to actually shot at me.

For which I'm very grateful.

Lazarus

The "sincere" I'll buy. The "charming and intelligent" is a leap.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On 12-Nov-2007, Frank Church wrote:


For example

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/6046950.stm

Lazarus

(who hopes that he'll refrain from putting an 'OT Happy Birthday
Hamas' or 'OT Happy Birthday IRA' on Roff whenever the time comes due)

This post was to honor our US Marine Corps, and given some of your
leftist posts in the past I'm not surprised you would try to dishonor our
Marines. What a cheap shot! You get yourself downrange of a group
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++

OK lets stir things up a bit.
Does anyone in this thread or rthe Veteran's Day thread respect and like
Dick Cheney?
Is he an honorable and caring man for the average American and human?
Where will he be in history?

Will he be eaten by trout?

I am doing a survey
Thanks in advance
Fred