Newbie leader question

Sorry, that is of course 0.1 mm !!!

On Nov 11, 12:49 am, Mike wrote:
On 11 Nov, 07:47, wrote:



On 10-Nov-2007, Mike wrote:

If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it
in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in
cold water.

Fine nylon is more prone to retaining memory anyway. The longer it
remains coiled the more memory it retains. Also, if such coiled
leaders are kep in a warm place, or left on the dashboard of a car
etc, the memory is programmed immediately. The only way to remove it
is by heating and then cooling.

The same applies to any thermoplastic material, including fly-lines.

OK

So that the next time I use nylon leader will I will have to do this
repeatedly-
Sometimes more than once a day? - Dependant on weather and water conditions?
If so I am staying w fleuro carbon

Fred

No, you only have to do it once. In cold weather, placing the leader
in a hot cup of coffee for instance, and then holding it straight
while it cools ( It is NOT necessary to stretch it), will ensure that
the leader remains straight.

The same applies to fly-line. Although you may need a larger coffee
cup.

MC

Hey Mike, THANK YOU for this great tip. It worked really well for
me. I just heated some water in my teapot (I'm a tea drinker) and
plopped it in for a couple of minutes - water though, not tea :-)

And took it out, straightened it, and when it cooled, the leader was
perfectly straight. You just saved me some money, due to the fact I
had purchased a number of these leaders. I had never had a problem
with Rio leaders before this so I didn't give it a thought, until they
arrived, and were unusable. Now they're fine.

Thanks again Mike.

- Dave K.

Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@
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If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it
in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in
cold water.

Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.

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Scott
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"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@
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If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it
in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in
cold water.

Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.
Scott
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Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location.
-tom

On Nov 14, 9:12 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message

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Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it
in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in
cold water.

Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.
Scott
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Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location.
-tom

I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had
as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered
ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed
them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad
batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great.

- Dave K.

mdk77 wrote in news:1195053918.180138.313530@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had
as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered
ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed
them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad
batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great.

- Dave K.


The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem.
You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple
stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of
heating them up a little with friction really does the trick.

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Scott
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On Wed, 14 Nov 2007 15:25:18 -0000, mdk77
wrote:

On Nov 14, 9:12 am, "Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Scott Seidman" wrote in message

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Mike wrote in news:1194762872.677219.156170@
57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com:

If you want to remove "memory" from nylon leader, then just place it
in very hot water, and hold it straight until it cools, or place it in
cold water.

Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.
Scott
Reverse name to reply

Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location.
-tom

I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had
as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered
ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed
them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad
batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great.

I'd suggest exchanging them, or if that isn't possible, and you wish to
use them, I'd suggest checking them out _carefully_ (break test, etc.)
before relying on them - a break-off at the line end would be a bad
thing for more than just you - lengths of mono, etc., in the water is
not good. These sound like they had already been exposed to (high) heat,
UV, or something. Did they sit in a hot vehicle for any length of time?

TC,
R

- Dave K.

On 14 Nov 2007 15:29:20 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

mdk77 wrote in news:1195053918.180138.313530@
50g2000hsm.googlegroups.com:

I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had
as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered
ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed
them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad
batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great.

- Dave K.


The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem.
You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple
stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of
heating them up a little with friction really does the trick.

Something else might be up - he said he tried it with "no joy." I
wonder if the material wasn't somehow previously damaged/altered.

TC,
R

On 14 Nov 2007 15:29:20 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

The next time you store them on your reel, you'll find the same problem.
You'll need to find some way to deal with it on the stream. Simple
stretching, or passing them through your fingers with the intention of
heating them up a little with friction really does the trick.

If you straighten them with hot water and then coil them for storage
in your vest, you will still have memory. If you can not get up
enough heat with your fingers, there are leader straighteners on the
market. The trouble with them, however, is that you can not control
the heat. Too much heat and you damage the leader. It's best to use
your fingers, and if you do not *feel* the heat, you are not applying
enough pressure with your fingers. When you placed the leaders in hot
water, what do you think straightened them? The heat. There is no
hot water on a stream, so a leader straightener or your fingers are
the only solution.

Where are you fishing using 7x, and what for, Dave?

Dave

mdk77 wrote:
"Tom Nakashima" wrote:
"Scott Seidman" wrote:
Of course, one could just draw the leader through one's fingers.

Agree with Scott, what most anglers do when on location.

I tried that. No joy. These were like those old "slinky toys" I had
as a child. I've used Rio leaders in the past and never encountered
ANYTHING like this. They were unusable. The hot water thing fixed
them. Leaders are expensive, and I thought I was "stuck" with a bad
batch of them, but now I'm fine. They work great.

You should never have to resort to a hot water bath to
straighten a leader. If you can't straighten the leader
with the friction heat of your bare fingers then the
leader is unusable and should be returned to the place
of purchase or trashed. I wouldn't trust a leader which
had been subjected to a hot water bath, not for leader
strength and certainly not for knot strength.

--
Ken Fortenberry