knot strength?

Rodney, Inventor, wrote:

I sell the cheapest nail knot tool there is, price is now just a buck.

Being a traditional literalist (literal traditionalist?), I use a nail,
which I'm pretty sure cost less than that.

JR

JR wrote:
Rodney, Inventor, wrote:

I sell the cheapest nail knot tool there is, price is now just a
buck.

Being a traditional literalist (literal traditionalist?), I use a nail,
which I'm pretty sure cost less than that.

It's easy enough to douoble the line back on itself and use the line as
the "nail". This reduces the price of the tool to zero.

Chas
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Ah yes, the old "nailess" nail knot. That is how I tie my leader to
flyline. Costs nothing to do, never fails, easy to learn, never hinges
during casting, and has a certain elegance that would satsify even the the
elitest of the elitists.

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

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JR wrote:
Rodney, Inventor, wrote:

I sell the cheapest nail knot tool there is, price is now just a
buck.

Being a traditional literalist (literal traditionalist?), I use a nail,
which I'm pretty sure cost less than that.

It's easy enough to douoble the line back on itself and use the line as
the "nail". This reduces the price of the tool to zero.

Chas
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You guys are too tough. My local fly shop sells a similar tool for $5. If
your time is worth a few cents per hour (half of you may qualify), this
thing would pay out.
"Tim Lysyk" wrote in message
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Ah yes, the old "nailess" nail knot. That is how I tie my leader to
flyline. Costs nothing to do, never fails, easy to learn, never hinges
during casting, and has a certain elegance that would satsify even the the
elitest of the elitists.

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

"Chas Wade" wrote in message
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JR wrote:
Rodney, Inventor, wrote:

I sell the cheapest nail knot tool there is, price is now just a
buck.

Being a traditional literalist (literal traditionalist?), I use a nail,
which I'm pretty sure cost less than that.

It's easy enough to douoble the line back on itself and use the line as
the "nail". This reduces the price of the tool to zero.

Chas
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Sierra fisher wrote:
You guys are too tough. My local fly shop sells a similar tool for $5. If
your time is worth a few cents per hour (half of you may qualify), this
thing would pay out.

Bruiser gave me (and others at a San Juan Clave) a nail-knot tool that
works great and probably costs less than a buck. It's one of those
needle-like nozzles you use to blow up basketballs and such, with the
tip of the tube ground off.

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"rw" wrote in message
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Bruiser gave me (and others at a San Juan Clave) a nail-knot tool that
works great and probably costs less than a buck. It's one of those
needle-like nozzles you use to blow up basketballs and such, with the
tip of the tube ground off.

....and a couple of swipes with a razor blade to a 1 ml pipet tip make a tool
that allows me to tie very quick and easy nail-knots. God, I'm cheap.

Cheers,
Bill

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"rw" wrote in message
m...

Bruiser gave me (and others at a San Juan Clave) a nail-knot tool that
works great and probably costs less than a buck. It's one of those
needle-like nozzles you use to blow up basketballs and such, with the
tip of the tube ground off.

...and a couple of swipes with a razor blade to a 1 ml pipet tip make a
tool
that allows me to tie very quick and easy nail-knots. God, I'm cheap.



I use the little red tube that comes with a can of WD40. I cut off a 1/4"
piece to leave in the nozzle, and the remainder gets cut in half for nail
knot tools.

--riverman
(If we're using tubes instead of nails, we ought to call it a tube knot,
wot?)

I think the nail knot is only an 80% strength knot. I use loop-loop both to
backing and leader.

Went to a Bill Nash seminar on knots and got a pretty good demonstration of
how 'good' the
standard knots are. Most of them are between 80-90% and some are less.
Probably doesnt matter
too much if you use heavy gear for light fishing. But go for some of the
agressive sal****er spieces,
stripers or any big fish (or small fish on light gear) and you are quickly in
trouble. A typical sign
of a week knot is a curly leader at the point where it broke.

Tim Lysyk wrote:

Ah yes, the old "nailess" nail knot. That is how I tie my leader to
flyline. Costs nothing to do, never fails, easy to learn, never hinges
during casting, and has a certain elegance that would satsify even the the
elitest of the elitists.

Tim Lysyk
timlysyk at telus dot net

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JR wrote:
Rodney, Inventor, wrote:

I sell the cheapest nail knot tool there is, price is now just a
buck.

Being a traditional literalist (literal traditionalist?), I use a nail,
which I'm pretty sure cost less than that.

It's easy enough to douoble the line back on itself and use the line as
the "nail". This reduces the price of the tool to zero.

Chas
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Svend Tang-Petersen wrote:
I think the nail knot is only an 80% strength knot. I use loop-loop both to
backing and leader.

If the nail knot is 80% strength, and it's tied in heavy mono with maybe
50lb tensile strength or greater, and if your tippet is 1x or smaller,
WHAT IS THE POINT???

The purpose of a flyline/leader knot (or Leader Link) is to pass through
the guides smoothly, not to be as strong as possible.

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