OhTee: Hammered, bedraggled and outcoached - but *still* undefeated!

On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:00:29 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
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I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in
the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in
the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who made
uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's play
calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots with
*a lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A. Yup
signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that good
those previous years?

So being the offensive coordinator for three superbowls means nothing to you?
Doesn't buy him any credibility with you? My, my, my....and tsk tsk.

There's a world of difference between the offensive coordinator of a pro ball
team that you helped recruit, and being head coach of a college team full of
someone else's recruiting efforts. It would be more rational to expect he
doesn't get to devote his every waking moment to offensive planning now,
considering all of the other responsibilities on his plate. Or maybe you don't
realize the scope of his job?

You're talking about the Erhardt/Perkins offensive system, which is the same
offense the Pats use today...nothing really new. What changes are they
calling in offensive plays from the those Super Bowl years? The only
difference I see is the acquisition of Moss, who made a huge difference in
opening up the offense.

Yikes! Is that really all you can see from where you are? Try squinting ;-)
I'm sure all the other new players you missed are heart broken, but they've
gotten along pretty well anyway. And I disagree with your assessment of the
"system" in use this season, it's about night-and-day different from last year
- pretty much due to all those players you missed, along with Moss.

As Brady says: "My job is easy, I just throw it up there and Randy makes the
play. " Sure makes the Raiders look bad.
-tom

Well, the Raiders are still bad, so I guess that theory doesn't work too well.
And while the quote is correct, it would be unbelievably simplistic to believe
that describes the system or the season...But you'd have to actually have
watched all of the games for the last many years to know that...

/daytripper
(Maybe we can buy CW out of that contract extension and set ND free? ;-)

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:00:29 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"

wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in
the
first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in
the
second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who
made
uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's
play
calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots
with
*a lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A.
Yup
signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that good
those previous years?

So being the offensive coordinator for three superbowls means nothing to
you?

Why should it mean anything to me?

Doesn't buy him any credibility with you? My, my, my....and tsk tsk.

Not looking to buy credibility, and wouldn't take it if it was free.


There's a world of difference between the offensive coordinator of a pro
ball
team that you helped recruit, and being head coach of a college team full
of
someone else's recruiting efforts.

I'm not denying that there isn't.


It would be more rational to expect he
doesn't get to devote his every waking moment to offensive planning now,
considering all of the other responsibilities on his plate. Or maybe you
don't
realize the scope of his job?

I'm sure "you" realize the scope of his job at Notre Dame, I'll let you
worry
about it. I could care less who coaches the Irish.

You're talking about the Erhardt/Perkins offensive system, which is the
same
offense the Pats use today...nothing really new. What changes are they
calling in offensive plays from the those Super Bowl years? The only
difference I see is the acquisition of Moss, who made a huge difference in
opening up the offense.

Yikes! Is that really all you can see from where you are? Try squinting
;-)

Why should I squint? The Pats have been running the Erhardt/Perkins
offensive system since the Parcell days, that's where Weis learned the
system.

I'm sure all the other new players you missed are heart broken, but
they've
gotten along pretty well anyway.

If they're heart broken, I'm sure they can find a crying towel, but who's
heart broken, they're undefeated.


And I disagree with your assessment of the
"system" in use this season, it's about night-and-day different from last
year
- pretty much due to all those players you missed, along with Moss.

Every NFL team has a "system" , but I thought you knew that.


As Brady says: "My job is easy, I just throw it up there and Randy makes
the play. " Sure makes the Raiders look bad.


Well, the Raiders are still bad, so I guess that theory doesn't work too
well.

Flew over your head; My statement of "Sure makes the Raiders look bad" is
that all they had to do is throw the ball up and Randy would make the play.
Raiders couldn't even do that. They also said Moss was washed up.
So yes I'll stand by my statement; Sure makes the Raiders look bad.


And while the quote is correct, it would be unbelievably simplistic to
believe
that describes the system or the season...But you'd have to actually have
watched all of the games for the last many years to know that...

Wait, you're the one who said you're not a fan of McDaniels, and you've been
missing Charlie Weis. So although the Pats this year have out scored their
opponents by the largest margin in the history of the NFL, makes me wonder
if you have a crying towel by your side when you think of Charlie Weis and
watch the Pats run up the score.
-tom

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:32:53 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:00:29 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"

wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
om...
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels in
the first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of McDaniels in
the second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who
made uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it - something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's
play calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the shots
with *a lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense, 112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A.
Yup signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that good
those previous years?

So being the offensive coordinator for three superbowls means nothing to
you?

Why should it mean anything to me?
[...]

Ah - ok, I thought we were having an actual discussion of the relative merits
of two coaches.

No problem, I need to go replace an inner tube on a snowblower tire, which
will be much more entertaining than a gain-saying contest...

/daytripper (and I bet that tube will hold up its end of the argument ;-)

daytripper typed:
snip

No problem, I need to go replace an inner tube on a snowblower tire,
which will be much more entertaining than a gain-saying contest...

/daytripper (and I bet that tube will hold up its end of the argument

The rest of us in New England thank you. Everyone (you know who you are)
knows that once the snowblower in in tip-top shape and ready to do its job,
we'll have very little snowfall for the remainder of the winter. Keep up the
good work!
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:21:45 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

daytripper typed:
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No problem, I need to go replace an inner tube on a snowblower tire,
which will be much more entertaining than a gain-saying contest...

/daytripper (and I bet that tube will hold up its end of the argument

The rest of us in New England thank you. Everyone (you know who you are)
knows that once the snowblower in in tip-top shape and ready to do its job,
we'll have very little snowfall for the remainder of the winter. Keep up the
good work!

You are certainly welcome :-)

Indeed, that strategy certainly worked the last two years, so - on behalf of
you all (well, other than those who still feel compelled to intentionally
slide around on snow ;-) - I shall not screw around with the forces of nature!

/daytripper
(tho that tire has a mean look - I think it's out to eat a finger or two!)

On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:29:32 -0500, daytripper
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:21:45 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

daytripper typed:
snip

No problem, I need to go replace an inner tube on a snowblower tire,
which will be much more entertaining than a gain-saying contest...

/daytripper (and I bet that tube will hold up its end of the argument

The rest of us in New England thank you. Everyone (you know who you are)
knows that once the snowblower in in tip-top shape and ready to do its job,
we'll have very little snowfall for the remainder of the winter. Keep up the
good work!

You are certainly welcome :-)

Indeed, that strategy certainly worked the last two years, so - on behalf of
you all (well, other than those who still feel compelled to intentionally
slide around on snow ;-) - I shall not screw around with the forces of nature!

/daytripper
(tho that tire has a mean look - I think it's out to eat a finger or two!)

Mission accomplished.
If we get any appreciable snow from here out, it's not on me ;-)

/daytripper (no fingers were lost, though patience was tested...)

daytripper typed:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2007 13:29:32 -0500, daytripper
wrote:

On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 11:21:45 -0500, "Tim J."
wrote:

daytripper typed:
snip

No problem, I need to go replace an inner tube on a snowblower
tire, which will be much more entertaining than a gain-saying
contest...

/daytripper (and I bet that tube will hold up its end of the
argument

The rest of us in New England thank you. Everyone (you know who you
are) knows that once the snowblower in in tip-top shape and ready
to do its job, we'll have very little snowfall for the remainder of
the winter. Keep up the good work!

You are certainly welcome :-)

Indeed, that strategy certainly worked the last two years, so - on
behalf of you all (well, other than those who still feel compelled
to intentionally slide around on snow ;-) - I shall not screw around
with the forces of nature!

/daytripper
(tho that tire has a mean look - I think it's out to eat a finger or
two!)

Mission accomplished.
If we get any appreciable snow from here out, it's not on me ;-)

It really doesn't matter to me personally. Since I'm claiming "post-op"
condition (which can be extended at any time), moving snow is not on my
list. Robyn, however . . .

/daytripper (no fingers were lost, though patience was tested...)

Good to hear. My appendages, however, could be in peril as the season wears
on (see above.)
--
TL,
Tim
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http://css.sbcma.com/timj

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Wed, 5 Dec 2007 06:32:53 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"
wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
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On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 13:00:29 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"

wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
m...
On Tue, 4 Dec 2007 10:46:38 -0800, "Tom Nakashima"

wrote:

"daytripper" wrote in message
news:976bl3pdd358uaj16m3mvjeog76ddhuhr1@4ax. com...
I wasn't a fan of McDaniels last season, wasn't a fan of McDaniels
in
the first half of this season, and I'm *really not* a fan of
McDaniels in
the second half of this season. I've been missing Charlie Weis more
and
more...

WHAT? Charlie Weis of Notre Dame?
You've got to be kidding!

No, I'm not kidding. Weis was an excellent offensive coordinator who
made uncanny mid-game adjustments when the going called for it -
something
McDaniels hasn't learned how to do yet. I rarely disagreed with CW's
play calling, and the Pats won three superbowls with him calling the
shots
with *a lot less player talent* than they had this year...

/daytripper

I guess those uncanny calls didn't work for Notre Dame at least this
year.
When the Irish were 1-7, they were ranked 119th in rushing offense,
112th
in passing, and 118th in scoring out of the 119 teams in Division 1-A.
Yup signs of an excellent offensive coordinator or was Brady Quinn that
good
those previous years?

So being the offensive coordinator for three superbowls means nothing to
you?

Why should it mean anything to me?
[...]

Ah - ok, I thought we were having an actual discussion of the relative
merits
of two coaches.

No problem, I need to go replace an inner tube on a snowblower tire, which
will be much more entertaining than a gain-saying contest...

/daytripper (and I bet that tube will hold up its end of the argument ;-)

Yes agree, I'm smiling too.
There are other things more important in life than sports.
Good luck with your tire.
-tom