waterboarding

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 16:42:32 -0500, "Opus--Mark H. Bowen"
wrote:

I can only suppose that you wouldn't have problem with the so-called
enemies
of the US torturing our troops at will as well. I mean it could save the
lives of our enemies troops.

What are you talking about, nitwit. They ARE torturing our troops,
and not for info, but just for the pleasure of it. Where the hell
have you been for the past few years? I know you live in a backward
town in backward section of a great state, but surely they have tv,
radio, newspapers.

My neice's son was killed there last year. He was killed outright
while taking down a couple of al qaeda. His two friends were not so
lucky. They were captured and tortured to death.

Waterboarding causes NO pain, leaves NO mark, draws NO blood. OTOH,
cutting off the genitals and heads of our GI's DOES.

You're a fool, Mark. You can get all the formal education you desire,
but you will remain a fool and a looser until the day you die.

The point, you indescribable idiot, is not that it happens.....no one has
contested that.....but that YOU! not only condone but RECOMMEND the torture
of American terrorists along with all the rest. And you may rest assured
that the whole world is listening to you.

Wolfgang
who, after several days off, is hardly surprised to note (once again) that
stupidity knows no holidays.

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On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 08:38:45 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 19:24:29 -0800, rw
wrote:

It's torture. Plain and simple.

I am so disgusted with our government.

Put it this way:

If waterboarding would save the life of your wife, children, and
boyfriend, would you be in favor of it? Yeah, me too.

Torture is pain.

Have you even been "tortured?" (and no, reading posts on ROFF doesn't
count...)

There is no pain in waterboarding.

Have you ever been waterboarded?

And it lasts only 25 seconds.

Not necessarily. It depends on the person being boarded and the
technique(s) used.

If it saves lives, waterboard away.

On that, we agree.

Nice troll, btw. d;o)

Hmmm...much like the definition of "torture," the definition of "nice"
seems to be a rather hard-to-pin-down target...

Sorta like trying to pin down a dicklet stance on any subject in the world,
huh?

Wolfgang
who can see no reason in the world why there might not be circumstances in
which slowly twisting the heads off a dozen or so small children could save
a few lives.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
If waterboarding would save the life of your wife, children, and
boyfriend, would you be in favor of it? Yeah, me too.

Turn that around. Suppose your wife or child was mistakenly taken captive
by a foreign government who thought they had valuable information. Would it
be okay if they were waterboarded? Hell no; and that's the same outrage you
should have when our country does it.

With all due respect, the false choice you posit is bull****. It assumes
that you *know* you have the right person, you *know* they possess the
information you seek, you *know* that information is valid and timely, and
you *know* they will give you the correct information under torture. But,
the fact is, you can know none of that with certainty before you begin the
torture. Further, even with information you glean in that manner, you can't
be certain it is truth or made up to stop the torture. IOW, you're going on
an inhuman fishing expedition (OBROFF).

Torture is one of those crimes that simply cannot be excused. There can be
no double standard. If we can do it to them, they can do it to us. If we
can do it to save our children, they can do it to our children with the same
moral authority. I cannot excuse or condone that.

Joe F.

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 14:08:59 GMT, "rb608"
wrote:

Torture is one of those crimes that simply cannot be excused.

I agree. Our troops in just about every war have suffered torture to
some extent, whether it be beatings, food/water deprivation, or
physical harm.

There can be
no double standard.

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

If we can do it to them, they can do it to us.

Count on it, my friend, up to and including beheading. That is a
given. If only they used *just* waterboarding.

If we
can do it to save our children, they can do it to our children with the same
moral authority.

Again, if only if was "just" waterboarding. They torture for the pure
pleasure of it. If I was a POW, I would pray that only waterboarding
was used.

I cannot excuse or condone that.

Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds. Waterboarding is psychological. There is NO physical
harm. And, it is affective. If it saves lives (and it has regardless
what you say), then I am for it.

eopcfm

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds.

Hey, there's no need to bring my family into this. ;-)

Joe F.

Dave LaCourse wrote:

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

Ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding. He's the only one of
the pathetic bunch of Republican candidates who has the guts to call it
for what it is.

If waterboarding isn't torture why did the US prosecute and convict a
Japanese officer of war crimes for doing it?

Now we know who in ROFF is in favor of torture and who is against it. No
surprises.

Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote in message
Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

I'm confused. I thought the NFL destroyed the tapes?

Joe F.

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 06:53:59 -0800, rw
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:

There is no double standard. They practice REAL torture. Ask John
McCain.

Ask John McCain how he feels about waterboarding. He's the only one of
the pathetic bunch of Republican candidates who has the guts to call it
for what it is.

If waterboarding isn't torture why did the US prosecute and convict a
Japanese officer of war crimes for doing it?

The US didn't prosecute him (solely, if at all) for "waterboarding,"
they prosecuted him for a number of types of torture, including "water
torture" (that probably _included_ but was not limited to
waterboarding), burning, beating, etc. of POWs and civilians, including
children (done solely for amusement) as well as stealing Red Cross
packages intended for POWs. And they didn't hang him, he was sentenced
to 10-20 years at hard labor.

Now we know who in ROFF is in favor of torture and who is against it. No
surprises.

I seriously any group of "we" that includes "you" knows much about much
in the real world outside of a sheltered academic environ...

And there "we" are,
R

Why did the CIA destroy the tapes?

On Sat, 29 Dec 2007 09:21:48 -0500, Dave LaCourse
wrote:


Psychological "torture" is common. Sleep deprivation. Constand loud
music/sounds. Waterboarding is psychological. There is NO physical
harm. And, it is affective.

Um, "affective?" That's interesting...even Freudian...

HTH,
R
....and it's effective, too...


If it saves lives (and it has regardless
what you say), then I am for it.

eopcfm

Dave

wrote:

...and it's effective, too...

Yeah? How do you know?