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Old December 29th, 2007, 07:33 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Mike[_6_]
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This is a major problem for many casters on land as well. They are
convinced they need to see their back cast in order to be able to
execute it properly. This is not the case! But you will only realise
it if you close your eyes ( on the back cast!). Concentrate entirely
on the feel. Try this at various distances. In a fairly short while,
( although this varies considerably from person to person), you will
know how it must feel for certain line lengths, and only need to
glance over your shoulder to see obstructions etc BEFORE you cast, not
WHILE you are casting. This will improve your casting immediately.
It is also the only way I know to wean people off watching their backs
casts, which causes them to twist their bodies, and ruin their
tracking. You can lean your body backwards, but DONT TWIST IT.

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 07:35 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Sorry about the repeated replies to my own posts, but as I think about
this, and how I have taught people in the past, I keep thinking of
further points, which are germane to the basic problem.

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 11:25 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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"Mike" wrote

Sorry about the repeated replies to my own posts, but as I think about
this, and how I have taught people in the past, I keep thinking of
further points, which are germane to the basic problem.



I understand that, Mike, and I appreciate your efforts to help

I think your suggestion to try practice casting in a swivel chair sounds
excellent. If I were to sit in my WaterMaster in dead calm water until
all ripples had died down, kept my feet up out of the water so unconscious
kicking wasn't a cause, and cast .... before long the tube would be pointed
in a different direction and ripples would surround it ... clearly showing
that lots of my energy was being transmitted to the boat. Any small part
of that energy that can be used instead of wasted would make for better
casts, I'm sure.

A related problem, that I 'see' as I sit here, Winter dreamfishing, is that
in 'change direction' situations I naturally not only try to cast in a new
direction but try and swivel the boat with my fins at the same time, which
greatly complicates things like 'loading' the backcast as the boat moves
backwards and rotates.

I don't expect to find myself 'cured' by ROFFian replies, your's or other's,
but you do give me things to ponder. One thing I've learned pretty well
from my business where 'winning' was key to income is that BIG things are
seldom what makes the winners, rather it is a long series of LITTLE things,
each applied to the whole ... thank you for some little things to work on.



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Old December 29th, 2007, 11:36 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Mike[_6_]
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On Dec 30, 12:25 am, "Larry L" wrote:
"Mike" wrote

Sorry about the repeated replies to my own posts, but as I think about

this, and how I have taught people in the past, I keep thinking of
further points, which are germane to the basic problem.


I understand that, Mike, and I appreciate your efforts to help

I think your suggestion to try practice casting in a swivel chair sounds
excellent. If I were to sit in my WaterMaster in dead calm water until
all ripples had died down, kept my feet up out of the water so unconscious
kicking wasn't a cause, and cast .... before long the tube would be pointed
in a different direction and ripples would surround it ... clearly showing
that lots of my energy was being transmitted to the boat. Any small part
of that energy that can be used instead of wasted would make for better
casts, I'm sure.

A related problem, that I 'see' as I sit here, Winter dreamfishing, is that
in 'change direction' situations I naturally not only try to cast in a new
direction but try and swivel the boat with my fins at the same time, which
greatly complicates things like 'loading' the backcast as the boat moves
backwards and rotates.

I don't expect to find myself 'cured' by ROFFian replies, your's or other's,
but you do give me things to ponder. One thing I've learned pretty well
from my business where 'winning' was key to income is that BIG things are
seldom what makes the winners, rather it is a long series of LITTLE things,
each applied to the whole ... thank you for some little things to work on.


My pleasure. I canīt cure many faults directly here, but I can at
least point out what might be causing some of them, and hopefully
indicate something to do to cure them.

Some problems are a little odd, as indeed is this one. You will never
get rid of all movement when casting from a small watercraft, but if
the cast is directly in line with the direction you are facing, and
you donīt twist your body, the back cast will move you forward a
smidgeon IN A STRAIGHT LINE, which will actually tighten up your back
cast ( as a result of the equal and opposite reaction), and the
forward cast will then move you backwards IN A STRAIGHT LINE, which
will also tighten up your forward cast. It is the twisting component
you need to get rid of, and also any tendency to hold the rod out to
your side while casting as this automatically causes a twisting
motion.

If the boat twists while you are casting, it automatically ruins your
cast. The ONLY way to stop that, is to stop the boat twisting.

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 07:37 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Mike[_6_]
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Watch some of these;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mFGZYy7h0FY

The best do not twist their bodies

Tl
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Old December 29th, 2007, 07:42 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Some tricks and common faults here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcTt1...eature=related

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 07:54 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Mike[_6_]
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Also watch Rajeff here;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgPOa...eature=related

he only turns his head, he doesnīt twist his body. This of course is
under tournament conditions. Also note his almost explosive
acceleration, flick and stop, on the final delivery.

There is a lot more of interest on you tube,. but be careful, some of
it is wrong!

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 07:58 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Mike[_6_]
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Kreh uses his body a lot;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=svqnt0J1jNg

this is useless in a float tube or similar.

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 08:09 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
Mike[_6_]
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Many instructors will disagree with Kreh. Most will show you this
method, and variations of it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjdzc...eature=related

This is the method you need to use in a tube etc, coupled with drift;

http://www.sexyloops.com/advice/drifting.shtml

http://www.google.com/search?q=drift....sexyloops.com

and increasing the translational ( linear, not in an arc), of your
cast.

TL
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Old December 29th, 2007, 10:33 PM posted to rec.outdoors.fishing.fly
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Mike wrote:
Many instructors will disagree with Kreh. ...


What a display. Ten consecutive posts, nine of them replies
to your own posts, all to prove what ? Even though you really
don't know jack **** about casting from a personal watercraft
you sure can use Google in a desperate attempt to appear expert ?

Pathetic. And very sad. Not to mention virtually useless.

Have you ever actually fished from a personal watercraft like a
pontoon boat ? Sure doesn't sound like it.

--
Ken Fortenberry
 




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