waterfloating

Many instructors will disagree with Kreh. Most will show you this
method, and variations of it;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hjdzc...eature=related

This is the method you need to use in a tube etc, coupled with drift;

http://www.sexyloops.com/advice/drifting.shtml

http://www.google.com/search?q=drift....sexyloops.com

and increasing the translational ( linear, not in an arc), of your
cast.

TL
MC

Mike wrote:
Many instructors will disagree with Kreh. ...

What a display. Ten consecutive posts, nine of them replies
to your own posts, all to prove what ? Even though you really
don't know jack **** about casting from a personal watercraft
you sure can use Google in a desperate attempt to appear expert ?

Pathetic. And very sad. Not to mention virtually useless.

Have you ever actually fished from a personal watercraft like a
pontoon boat ? Sure doesn't sound like it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Larry L" wrote in
:

One problem I have fishing from a personal watercraft is that some of
the energy intended to go into the cast is transferred instead to the
craft ( make a casting motion right now and feel how your butt swivels
and tries to rotate your chair to understand what I'm saying ) making
my "longest" casts shorter than on dry land ( wading )


Am I just doing everything 100% wrong ? Is there some tricky way to
minimize this?

.....Larry, I have fished out of inflatables for at least 10 yrs now and I
never noticed that it affected my casting. But then again, I usually fish
to the bank for smallmouth and maybe casting 20-25 feet at most.

Frank Sr.
....is it spring yet?

On Dec 29, 11:33 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Mike wrote:
Many instructors will disagree with Kreh. ...

What a display. Ten consecutive posts, nine of them replies
to your own posts, all to prove what ? Even though you really
don't know jack **** about casting from a personal watercraft
you sure can use Google in a desperate attempt to appear expert ?

Pathetic. And very sad. Not to mention virtually useless.

Have you ever actually fished from a personal watercraft like a
pontoon boat ? Sure doesn't sound like it.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Are you going to even try and answer the man´s question, assuming you
know anything at all about it, or are you merely going to continue
trying to **** me off?

You never provide any useful information, just derogatory commentary
on others, or pure bull****.

I don´t have to prove anything to a ****ing asshole like you, nor
answer any of your questions.

MC

On Dec 29, 11:34 pm, Frank Church
wrote:
"Larry L" wrote :

One problem I have fishing from a personal watercraft is that some of
the energy intended to go into the cast is transferred instead to the
craft ( make a casting motion right now and feel how your butt swivels
and tries to rotate your chair to understand what I'm saying ) making
my "longest" casts shorter than on dry land ( wading )

Am I just doing everything 100% wrong ? Is there some tricky way to
minimize this?

....Larry, I have fished out of inflatables for at least 10 yrs now and I
never noticed that it affected my casting. But then again, I usually fish
to the bank for smallmouth and maybe casting 20-25 feet at most.

Frank Sr.
...is it spring yet?

If you only cast relatively short distances, and overhead, the problem
that Larry mentioned does not occur, or at least not to anything like
the same degree. If you are trying for distance, then the tendency is
to try and use the same technique you use on land, and with many
people this means twisting their bodies around. Unfortunately, this
results in the water craft revolving in the opposite direction to the
body, and ruins the cast in a number of ways The effect is not quite
as bad in a pontoon boat, but still appreciable.

If you learn to cast without twisting your body, then it improves your
casting, and also precludes the movement problems in a small water
craft.

The idea is to use the energy for the cast, not for moving the boat.
There will always be some reaction, but if the cast is in a straight
line over head, and the body does not twist, it is minimal.

For a long time, I used float tubes and pontoon boats regularly on the
Baltic, where it is often necessary to distance cast with
comparatively heavy gear. If you use the wrong technique, the action
of casting will twist the tube around while you are casting,
completely ruining your tracking, and any hope of a straight line
path, and thus the cast.

MC

"Mike" wrote

Sorry about the repeated replies to my own posts, but as I think about
this, and how I have taught people in the past, I keep thinking of
further points, which are germane to the basic problem.



I understand that, Mike, and I appreciate your efforts to help

I think your suggestion to try practice casting in a swivel chair sounds
excellent. If I were to sit in my WaterMaster in dead calm water until
all ripples had died down, kept my feet up out of the water so unconscious
kicking wasn't a cause, and cast .... before long the tube would be pointed
in a different direction and ripples would surround it ... clearly showing
that lots of my energy was being transmitted to the boat. Any small part
of that energy that can be used instead of wasted would make for better
casts, I'm sure.

A related problem, that I 'see' as I sit here, Winter dreamfishing, is that
in 'change direction' situations I naturally not only try to cast in a new
direction but try and swivel the boat with my fins at the same time, which
greatly complicates things like 'loading' the backcast as the boat moves
backwards and rotates.

I don't expect to find myself 'cured' by ROFFian replies, your's or other's,
but you do give me things to ponder. One thing I've learned pretty well
from my business where 'winning' was key to income is that BIG things are
seldom what makes the winners, rather it is a long series of LITTLE things,
each applied to the whole ... thank you for some little things to work on.

Mike wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Mike wrote:
Many instructors will disagree with Kreh. ...
What a display. Ten consecutive posts, nine of them replies
to your own posts, all to prove what ? Even though you really
don't know jack **** about casting from a personal watercraft
you sure can use Google in a desperate attempt to appear expert ?

Pathetic. And very sad. Not to mention virtually useless.

Have you ever actually fished from a personal watercraft like a
pontoon boat ? Sure doesn't sound like it.

Are you going to even try and answer the man´s question, assuming you
know anything at all about it, ...

My "longest" casts from my canoe, the only personal watercraft
I know anything about, are shorter than my "longest" casts made
while standing. I never really gave it much thought or bothered
to figure out why that was the case. I always figured it was
because I was sitting down. I mean I couldn't hit a softball or
a golf ball near as far sitting as opposed to standing either
so no big deal.

So no, I'm not even going to try and answer Larry's question.
But my non response is every bit as useful as your silly armchair
pontificating and Google mania.

I don´t have to prove anything to a ****ing asshole like you, nor
answer any of your questions.

Right, just as I thought. You've never actually fished from a
personal watercraft like a pontoon boat in your life. LOL !!

Carry on.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Dec 30, 12:25 am, "Larry L" wrote:
"Mike" wrote

Sorry about the repeated replies to my own posts, but as I think about

this, and how I have taught people in the past, I keep thinking of
further points, which are germane to the basic problem.

I understand that, Mike, and I appreciate your efforts to help

I think your suggestion to try practice casting in a swivel chair sounds
excellent. If I were to sit in my WaterMaster in dead calm water until
all ripples had died down, kept my feet up out of the water so unconscious
kicking wasn't a cause, and cast .... before long the tube would be pointed
in a different direction and ripples would surround it ... clearly showing
that lots of my energy was being transmitted to the boat. Any small part
of that energy that can be used instead of wasted would make for better
casts, I'm sure.

A related problem, that I 'see' as I sit here, Winter dreamfishing, is that
in 'change direction' situations I naturally not only try to cast in a new
direction but try and swivel the boat with my fins at the same time, which
greatly complicates things like 'loading' the backcast as the boat moves
backwards and rotates.

I don't expect to find myself 'cured' by ROFFian replies, your's or other's,
but you do give me things to ponder. One thing I've learned pretty well
from my business where 'winning' was key to income is that BIG things are
seldom what makes the winners, rather it is a long series of LITTLE things,
each applied to the whole ... thank you for some little things to work on.

My pleasure. I can´t cure many faults directly here, but I can at
least point out what might be causing some of them, and hopefully
indicate something to do to cure them.

Some problems are a little odd, as indeed is this one. You will never
get rid of all movement when casting from a small watercraft, but if
the cast is directly in line with the direction you are facing, and
you don´t twist your body, the back cast will move you forward a
smidgeon IN A STRAIGHT LINE, which will actually tighten up your back
cast ( as a result of the equal and opposite reaction), and the
forward cast will then move you backwards IN A STRAIGHT LINE, which
will also tighten up your forward cast. It is the twisting component
you need to get rid of, and also any tendency to hold the rod out to
your side while casting as this automatically causes a twisting
motion.

If the boat twists while you are casting, it automatically ruins your
cast. The ONLY way to stop that, is to stop the boat twisting.

TL
MC

Larry L wrote:
One problem I have fishing from a personal watercraft is that some of the
energy intended to go into the cast is transferred instead to the craft (
make a casting motion right now and feel how your butt swivels and tries to
rotate your chair to understand what I'm saying ) making my "longest" casts
shorter than on dry land ( wading )


Am I just doing everything 100% wrong ? Is there some tricky way to
minimize this?



My advice, Larry, for what it's worth, is to use your fins to stabilize
your orientation, if necessary.

Kick boats and belly boats can be infuriating in that way. Whenever you
change direction with your cast they will tend to rotate. It's
elementary physics. If you cast to the right the boat will rotate to the
left, and vice versa, no matter how perfectly you execute the cast.

Newton said it first: For every action there's an opposite and equal
reaction.

Counteract the rotation with your fins. The greater the change of
direction of the cast, the more effort is required with the fins. Small
changes in direction won't require much effort, if any at all.

Imagine as a worst case casting directly behind you.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Dec 30, 12:32 am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Right, just as I thought. You've never actually fished from a
personal watercraft like a pontoon boat in your life. LOL !!

Carry on.

--
Ken Fortenberry


Actually you dumb asshole, I used one at the Danish clave, as anybody
who was there will confirm. I took it along mainly in case somebody
wanted to try it, but I was the only one who used it on that occasion.
Would you like a picture of my boat dumbass?

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/1237/pontje2.jpg


MC