OT -IOWA POLITICS

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 08:13:24 -0500, jeff miller wrote:

ok, ok...i know... but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time. i fear
it may not last, that iowa is a unique island in the political world,
and that it will cause the rivals to resort to dirty works appealing to
the baser sense of the electorate...but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

jeff (wishin and hopin...but still cynical)

I'd much rather have a rational method to select the candidates - I'm a
little tired of having zero say in the matter. I think a national primary
day would be much better than the current system.

"ray" wrote in message
news
I think a national primary
day would be much better than the current system.


I am quite sure that the big money interests that sort of got kicked in the
balls last evening in Iowa would agree with you. The only way to success in
a one-off National Primary is with massive advertising, at massive expense.
Guess who the winner is beholden to? Clue: it's not The People.
Tom

I noticed tonight that H. Clinton is spinning her loss, ....she is
saying that the Iowa caucus really did not matter much, and the people
from Iowa have it all wrong.... last week she stated just the opposite,
what happened? Really it is not Hillary that is running for President,
Billy Boy wants a third term in the Whitehouse. I have to give Obama
credit. He is a class act. I am a Conservative but I will say one thing,
if Romney got the nomination for the Republican party, I would vote for
Obama just because I believe that he is really for change. Romney on the
other hand even though he is saying that he is a Republican acts more
like a Democrat. But I still believe that Huckaby will get the
nomination for the Repulican party. F/T


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Calif Bill wrote:

Obama is a great talker. But where is the experience to be the CEO of the
country?

Perhaps you don't understand the difference between a corporate
CEO and a President of the United States.

But whether you do or don't, try this:

Divide a piece of paper into two columns.

On the left hand side list the experience that Abraham Lincoln
had in 1860.

On the right hand side, list the experience that Barack Obama has
in 2008.

- JR

"Fishin Technician" wrote in
message ...
But I still believe that Huckaby will get the
nomination for the Repulican party. F/T

I figure his support will grow stronger once the folks in New Jersey learn
how to spell his name. Until then, he'll
pull in the Biblethumpers, kill off Romney and clear the path for McCain. If
the economy continues to head downhill, the Democrats could run virtually
anyone and win big next year.
Tom

On Fri, 04 Jan 2008 19:17:25 -0500, Fishin Technician wrote:


I noticed tonight that H. Clinton is spinning her loss, ....she is
saying that the Iowa caucus really did not matter much, and the people
from Iowa have it all wrong.... last week she stated just the opposite,
what happened? Really it is not Hillary that is running for President,
Billy Boy wants a third term in the Whitehouse. I have to give Obama
credit. He is a class act. I am a Conservative but I will say one thing,
if Romney got the nomination for the Republican party, I would vote for
Obama just because I believe that he is really for change. Romney on the
other hand even though he is saying that he is a Republican acts more
like a Democrat. But I still believe that Huckaby will get the
nomination for the Repulican party. F/T

FWIW - at the current time, the only one I'd be interested in voting for
on either side is McCain. I'm convinced he's an honorable man. Some of the
others may be, I don't know. On the other hand, the last honorable man to
occupy the position was Jimmy Carter - and he wasn't much of a president.

jeff miller wrote:
ok, ok...i know... but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time. i fear
it may not last, that iowa is a unique island in the political world,
and that it will cause the rivals to resort to dirty works appealing to
the baser sense of the electorate...

The one poll result over the past several months that has
impressed me--much more than the Iowa caucus results--is that
nationwide, Obama's support with people under 35, even many who
say they're "generally conservative," is much higher than for any
other candidate.

Even if Iowa is "unrepresentative," the fact that victory there
made the idea of an Obama nomination not just a vague possibility
but maybe even likely could very well give lots and lots of
people a nudge toward looking on him as the man for the times--as
much a source of inspiration and hope as a "politician" (as JFK
was for many of my generation).

I would not be surprised if the Iowa win, "unimportant" in itself
galvanized a whole lot of otherwise apathetic young people into a
true movement. Imagine if an Obama presidential candidacy
produced a voter turnout above the "expected" on the same scale
that the turnout in Iowa exceeded expectations.

All very well for 50- or 60-somethings to hem and haw, but if
Obama sets the young on fire..... well, it's their day in the sun
now, folks. And it's something this 50-something would truly
like to see.

*AND*, in addition to *THAT*, take a look at this site

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?cycle=2008

and check whom the category "Retired" has contributed to.

- JR
(who knows a steamroller when he sees one and thinks he sees
something that looks suspiciously like one comin' down the road....)

Jeff wrote:

..... Huckabee is frightening to me
for a number of very idiosyncratic reasons, but the fact he won over the
likes of romney and ghouliani was in fact heartening as a sign of
something new in the Godawful Old Party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8

- JR
(who's grateful for humor *wherever* he finds it...)

"JR" wrote in message
...
Jeff wrote:

..... Huckabee is frightening to me for a number of very idiosyncratic
reasons, but the fact he won over the likes of romney and ghouliani was
in fact heartening as a sign of something new in the Godawful Old Party.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDUQW8LUMs8

- JR
(who's grateful for humor *wherever* he finds it...)

I guess you saw Norris standing behind Huckabee during the victory speech
last night.

Op

On Jan 4, 8:13*am, jeff miller wrote:
ok, ok...i know... but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time. i fear
it may not last, that iowa is a unique island in the political world,
and that it will cause the rivals to resort to dirty works appealing to
the baser sense of the electorate...but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g *more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

jeff (wishin and hopin...but still cynical)

you know, jr's post analogizing the jfk movement to the growing
sense of obama's power among the young is very convincing. thinking
back to those halcyon times, i saw myself amongst the adoring throngs
of kids in chapel hill in the early 60's, watching our hopes for the
future rise in the hands of jack kennedy.
fast forward to the present, and i watched myself, hunched and
fuming over my discomfort, as my hoped for image of the clintons back
in the whitehouse began to fade in the bright light rising out of
iowa.
maybe it's time for the young to give us another shot of
charisma.

yfitons
wayno