OT -IOWA POLITICS

"JR" wrote


All very well for 50- or 60-somethings to hem and haw, but if
Obama sets the young on fire..... well, it's their day in the sun
now, folks. And it's something this 50-something would truly
like to see.

*AND*, in addition to *THAT*, take a look at this site

http://www.opensecrets.org/pres08/select.asp?cycle=2008

and check whom the category "Retired" has contributed to.


Obama's is the first individual campaign I've contributed $ to since I was
'young and on fire' myself. I gave a litttle when he first annouced his
intention to run and a little more a couple times since.

I've sometimes wondered exactly why .... and your post has helped me
understand. It IS the time for the future.

Go get 'em kids!

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:29:15 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

you know, jr's post analogizing the jfk movement to the growing
sense of obama's power among the young is very convincing. t

I knew JFK. I voted for him in 1960. Obama is NOT a JFK.

The first thing JFK did when he got in the WH was to give us a very
good tax cut. Then he gave the military a nice pay increase. Obama
ain't gonna do that. JFK was also aware of those who would do us
harm. Obama doesn't care. He believes he can "talk" to our enemies.

When he gives me a tax cut, does something about illegal aliens, and
makes me feel safe from terrorists, *then* I might vote for him.

Until then, I'll stick with McClain.

Dave

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:29:15 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:
The first thing JFK did when he got in the WH was to give us a very
good tax cut. Then he gave the military a nice pay increase. Obama
ain't gonna do that.

nor should he, as neither is NEEDED at the moment.


JFK was also aware of those who would do us
harm. Obama doesn't care. He believes he can "talk" to our enemies.

Once again, different times, and a not-too-accurate JFK oversimplification.
Whoever leads us next has to undo several years of pigheaded stupidity
regarding international relations. We have to rebuild bridges to our
friends, let alone try and understand the enemies.

Until then, I'll stick with McClain.

If you find someone named McClain on the ballot, feel free to vote for
himg

Tom

On Jan 4, 12:06 pm, George Adams wrote:

party. I am an independent who tends to vote Republican, but I doubt
seriously that I would vote for Huckabee.

What I want in a candidate, is someone who will do for energy
independence, what JFK did for the space race. If a viable candidate
would stand up and promise to bring us energy independence from OPEC
in, say 10/20 years,

I browsed Huckabee's website to learn more about him, and he does you
one better; he promises energy independence in less than 8 years ("by
the end of the second term").

and show a comprehesive plan by which this could
be accomplished,

Ah, now that's the sticky part :-)

Impossible, in my opinion, unless you can convince our country to
return to a one car per family model, and driving that car maybe 5000
miles per year. Anything less, and the numbers simply don't add up.
Not even close -- at least an order of magnitude apart. No candidate
will be elected who's telling the voters that. So they sell pipe
dreams (biodiesel, hydrogen) and snake oil (ethanol).

Jon.

wrote:
On Jan 4, 12:06 pm, George Adams wrote:


party. I am an independent who tends to vote Republican, but I doubt
seriously that I would vote for Huckabee.

What I want in a candidate, is someone who will do for energy
independence, what JFK did for the space race. If a viable candidate
would stand up and promise to bring us energy independence from OPEC
in, say 10/20 years,


I browsed Huckabee's website to learn more about him, and he does you
one better; he promises energy independence in less than 8 years ("by
the end of the second term").


and show a comprehesive plan by which this could
be accomplished,


Ah, now that's the sticky part :-)

It has to be faith-based. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Sat, 05 Jan 2008 18:01:06 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

If you find someone named McClain on the ballot, feel free to vote for
himg

Duh on me, Tom. d;o)

"Tom Littleton" wrote in message
news:CBPfj.6285$TO.3109@trnddc01...

If you find someone named McClain on the ballot, feel free to vote for
himg

I was thinkin Bruce Willis' character from the Die Hard movies. Now
*there's* a guy who don't take no **** from the bad guys. g

Joe F.

wrote:

On Jan 4, 8:13 am, jeff miller wrote:

ok, ok...i know... but honestly, it's the most encouraging thing i've
seen in the national political landscape in far too long a time. i fear
it may not last, that iowa is a unique island in the political world,
and that it will cause the rivals to resort to dirty works appealing to
the baser sense of the electorate...but, damn, i'm hopeful and nearly
optimistic. g more than 50% of the caucus participants were 1st
timers...perhaps all us cynics are dying out and there will be a new
vigor in a changed political world.

jeff (wishin and hopin...but still cynical)


you know, jr's post analogizing the jfk movement to the growing
sense of obama's power among the young is very convincing. thinking
back to those halcyon times, i saw myself amongst the adoring throngs
of kids in chapel hill in the early 60's, watching our hopes for the
future rise in the hands of jack kennedy.
fast forward to the present, and i watched myself, hunched and
fuming over my discomfort, as my hoped for image of the clintons back
in the whitehouse began to fade in the bright light rising out of
iowa.
maybe it's time for the young to give us another shot of
charisma.

yfitons
wayno

it is very difficult to acknowledge one's old age because of all that
aging entails in this society...plus, whatever the stuff is that sees
out of my eyes still looks at the world and what's around me with the
same sense of youth i felt at 25 notwithstanding my gray hair, wrinkled
and sagging skin, pot belly, and the aches & pains equal to my
years...however, i agree with you. it's invigorating to feel a sense of
hope again, even if only as a voyeur, and also, though long ago, once to
have had the opportunity of a similar youthful zeal about politics and
making change in our country. i think you and i have been very
fortunate as far as the times and places we have lived our lives...and,
i'm hopeful for another go round. g

jeff (like once used coffee grounds...there's probably a cup or two
worth of brewing left)

jeff

"jeff miller" wrote


jeff (like once used coffee grounds...there's probably a cup or two worth
of brewing left)



I like that

On Sat, 5 Jan 2008 07:29:15 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

...as my hoped for image of the clintons back
in the whitehouse...

Ya Goddamned vodka-drinking troll...

YFCIT,
R

yfitons
wayno