Obama

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:21:17 -0700, rw
wrote:

I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus in
Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.

And you're his/her driver?

;-)

Ok ok - I reckon we're supposed to make that leap of logic that you are, in
fact, the sole Democrat (note there's no "ic" in the party name - and you
should know that already ;-) delegate for your country.

How many Republican delegates have they?

/daytripper
(who has been inundated with go-vote-for-me phone calls all day, even though I
already voted early this morning....Sheesh - I've never been this popular ;-)

daytripper wrote:
On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:21:17 -0700, rw
wrote:


I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus in
Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.


And you're his/her driver?

;-)

The caucus went something like 42 for Obama to 8 for Clinton, and I was
chosen as the delegate to represent Obama at the state convention. So
yes, as it turns out I was the driver of the delegate. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"rw" wrote



The caucus went something like 42 for Obama to 8 for Clinton, and I was
chosen as the delegate to represent Obama at the state convention. So yes,
as it turns out I was the driver of the delegate. :-)




Way cool !

rw wrote:
daytripper wrote:

On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 11:21:17 -0700, rw
wrote:


I'm driving 120 miles round-trip to the the Democratic Party caucus
in Challis to support Obama.

Custer County has one delegate.



And you're his/her driver?
;-)


The caucus went something like 42 for Obama to 8 for Clinton, and I was
chosen as the delegate to represent Obama at the state convention. So
yes, as it turns out I was the driver of the delegate. :-)


Correction: Obama 50, Clinton 8

Statewide, Obama thrashed Clinton.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

In article , rw
wrote:


The caucus went something like 42 for Obama to 8 for Clinton, and I was
chosen as the delegate to represent Obama at the state convention. So
yes, as it turns out I was the driver of the delegate. :-)

Wow!

To this long-time exile, could you, succinctly, explain why Obama is
much better than Clinton?

I have a republican (as opposed to Republican) dislike for dynasties

and she went the wrong way, and he the right way, over Iraq,

but beyond that?

(There's a nice article in today's Manchester Guardian about this -
http://tinyurl.com/37hyjs
but it's written by a Brit, and thus inevitably a bit suspect)

Lazarus

Lazarus Cooke wrote:
In article , rw
wrote:


The caucus went something like 42 for Obama to 8 for Clinton, and I was
chosen as the delegate to represent Obama at the state convention. So
yes, as it turns out I was the driver of the delegate. :-)


Wow!

To this long-time exile, could you, succinctly, explain why Obama is
much better than Clinton?

Change.

Succinct enough?

Their policy positions are nearly identical. I'm just sick of
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

I don't care about charisma or oratorical skills. I just want something
different.

I have a republican (as opposed to Republican) dislike for dynasties

I feel the same way.


and she went the wrong way, and he the right way, over Iraq,

but beyond that?

Beyond that? That's BIG. That's HUGE! The establishment Democrats, like
Hillary Clinton, were afraid to vote against the Iraq war resolution in
the wake of 9/11 because they were afraid to be seen as weak on national
security. It was a cowardly vote, IMO.

If Hillary Clinton end's up the nominee I will enthusiastically vote for
her.

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Feb 6, 3:08 pm, rw wrote:
Their policy positions are nearly identical. I'm just sick of
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

I don't care about charisma or oratorical skills. I just want something
different.

If Hillary Clinton end's up the nominee I will enthusiastically vote for
her.

You're tired of Bush-Clinton. Want something different. Mad at
Clinton
for voting for the Iraq war. But if (when) she gets the nomination
you'll
vote for her regardless?

I just don't get people who vote strictly based on party. No wonder
both parties keep nominating garbage.
- Ken

On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:59:52 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

On Feb 6, 3:08 pm, rw wrote:
Their policy positions are nearly identical. I'm just sick of
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

I don't care about charisma or oratorical skills. I just want something
different.

If Hillary Clinton end's up the nominee I will enthusiastically vote for
her.

You're tired of Bush-Clinton. Want something different. Mad at
Clinton
for voting for the Iraq war. But if (when) she gets the nomination
you'll
vote for her regardless?

I just don't get people who vote strictly based on party. No wonder
both parties keep nominating garbage.
- Ken


OK, throw out party platforms...

For whatever reason, RW is inclined to vote for a democrat, whoever
that might be come November. He said he prefers Obama, but implies
that he'd take Clinton over any of the republican contenders.

So what's the problem?

I thought he'd explained his position pretty clearly earlier in this
thread. As Larry L. said, this is a person to vote *for*.

Besides, what would his options be? If you are of the democrat
persuasion, it's down to two people.

Don

Donut wrote:
On Wed, 6 Feb 2008 20:59:52 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:


On Feb 6, 3:08 pm, rw wrote:

Their policy positions are nearly identical. I'm just sick of
Bush-Clinton-Bush-Clinton.

I don't care about charisma or oratorical skills. I just want something
different.

If Hillary Clinton end's up the nominee I will enthusiastically vote for
her.

You're tired of Bush-Clinton. Want something different. Mad at
Clinton
for voting for the Iraq war. But if (when) she gets the nomination
you'll
vote for her regardless?

I just don't get people who vote strictly based on party. No wonder
both parties keep nominating garbage.
- Ken



OK, throw out party platforms...

For whatever reason, RW is inclined to vote for a democrat, whoever
that might be come November. He said he prefers Obama, but implies
that he'd take Clinton over any of the republican contenders.

So what's the problem?

I thought he'd explained his position pretty clearly earlier in this
thread. As Larry L. said, this is a person to vote *for*.

Besides, what would his options be? If you are of the democrat
persuasion, it's down to two people.

Don

For some reason Ken's post isn't showing up on my server so I'll answer
him by replying to your supportive post, Donut.

I don't dislike Hillary Clinton, even though there are some things she's
done (mainly the war authorization vote) that I disagree with, and I'd
rather leave the Bush/Clinton thing behind. I think the two Democratic
candidates are both excellent, and I can happily vote whichever one gets
the nomination.

I merely prefer Obama.

Is that so hard to "get"?

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Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

"Lazarus Cooke" wrote


To this long-time exile, could you, succinctly, explain why Obama is
much better than Clinton?

I have a republican (as opposed to Republican) dislike for dynasties

and she went the wrong way, and he the right way, over Iraq,

but beyond that?

(There's a nice article in today's Manchester Guardian about this -
http://tinyurl.com/37hyjs
but it's written by a Brit, and thus inevitably a bit suspect)



I think the article you site does a good job ... i.e. there aren't huge
'issue' differences

The reasons I prefer Obama include ... he strikes me as extremely
intelligent ( a very big change over the last 8 years ), not that Clinton is
dumb.

Obama has a quality you don't often see in politicians, he actually
listens. Let me use this ROFF place to explain how I mean that. Around
here, people read ( listen) only until they have something to attack or use
to gain points for themselves, often ending up mis-reading in the haste to
attack/ defend, this is the typical politicians style too. Obama gives me
the impression that he actually tries hard to understand what is being said,
and works as hard at finding things to agree with as to disagree with. I
base this observation over the long term and not just the last few weeks,
where, sadly, Obama has be forced more into a 'sound bite' mode.

Obama is bringing LOTS of new people into the process, young people and
older folk wanting to hope again. Democracy is about 'the people' and the
fact that several TIMES as many people are voting, this Dem primary, as in
the past IS ALREADY a wonderful accomplishment for the man.

Obama is truly interested in the future, in trying to find common ground and
start repairing the damage Rove et al have done to our country. I base
this on what he says and my "gut" evaluation of his honesty. Clinton
uses much of the same language of "change" and "future" but also slips often
into little lapses that, to me, indicate she really wants to go back to the
90's and 'settle some business' .... first you 'can't go home again' ...
second, we need a person that really wants to unite, not one with a chip
still shouldered.


ANY of the Republicans running would be far, Far, FAR, worse than any of
the Dems that have. McCain is better than Bush, but who isn't? That
said, 'electability' is a big issue ... right now polls show Obama would
beat McCain handily, Clinton would lose to him. Many Republicans don't
have anyone to vote FOR in this race, but Many, Many would come out to vote
AGAINST Hillary.

MY Country desperately needs an "image makeover" in the world thanks to Bush
( as you well understand ) IMHO, electing Obama in a country that has
our racist history will send a clear massage to the world that we ARE still
trying to be a place where anyone can 'make it' and greatly improve our
image ( this is my only 'racial' thought about this election ). Electing
Clinton II shortly after electing Bush II will increase the impression that
we are really becoming a place of dynasties


As rw says, if Clinton gets the nomination, I'll vote and work for her since
she stands head, shoulders, and bust line g above any on the other side
.... but Obama is the first ( mostly for 'gut impression' reasons )
politician in a long time that I have voted FOR ... strictly FOR .... i.e.
I didn't vote against Hillary .... I voted FOR Obama