So, OK, he's for change, he gives Chris Mathews a feeling "up his leg," and...

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
et...

Yeah, there's that but perhaps he wasn't lying in the first place.
One thing we do know for a fact is that the Swiftboating of Kerry
was a pack of despicable lies so you'll have to excuse me if I don't
place a whole lot of credence in your Swiftboat redux.

--
Ken Fortenberry

No perhaps about it. Based on my knowledge of situation in Viet Nam at the
time he and I were there, there is no way in Hell that he witnessed all he
said under oath that he had. Also though we know for a fact that some of
the SwiftBoaters allegations were outright lies, based my own experiences
and on conversations I've had with fellow Naval officers who were in Nam at
the same time, and have no axe to grind Kerry, there is no way I can
accept as fact that all the allegations were lies.

BTW I was not and am not a Bush supporter. I was unable to hold my nose long
enough to vote for him even though based on my perceptionof Kerry's
character (actually his lack thereof) there was no way I would vote for him.
So I cast a futile protest vote for some non-viable 3rd party candidate
(can't even remember who at this point).

Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Yeah, there's that but perhaps he wasn't lying in the first place.
One thing we do know for a fact is that the Swiftboating of Kerry
was a pack of despicable lies so you'll have to excuse me if I don't
place a whole lot of credence in your Swiftboat redux.

No perhaps about it. Based on my knowledge of situation in Viet Nam at the
time he and I were there, there is no way in Hell that he witnessed all he
said under oath that he had. Also though we know for a fact that some of
the SwiftBoaters allegations were outright lies, based my own experiences
and on conversations I've had with fellow Naval officers who were in Nam at
the same time, and have no axe to grind Kerry, there is no way I can
accept as fact that all the allegations were lies. ...

Well Bob, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to accept that I
find you less credible than John Kerry (and all the living
members of his crew). You appear to have some sort of axe to
grind with the Vietnam Vets Against The War and with Kerry
being their spokesman before Congress. You also appear to be
if not a Swiftboater, then at least a Swiftboater wannabe.

BTW I was not and am not a Bush supporter. I was unable to hold my nose long
enough to vote for him even though based on my perceptionof Kerry's
character (actually his lack thereof) there was no way I would vote for him.
So I cast a futile protest vote for some non-viable 3rd party candidate
(can't even remember who at this point).

Yeah, I'm sorry but you're self-reported voting record is not
at all persuasive.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
et...
Well Bob, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to accept that I
find you less credible than John Kerry (and all the living
members of his crew).

That's about as vile a statement as you could make, knowing my evaluation of
Kerry's credibility.

You appear to have some sort of axe to
grind with the Vietnam Vets Against The War and with Kerry
being their spokesman before Congress. You also appear to be
if not a Swiftboater, then at least a Swiftboater wannabe.

Ken Fortenberry

I have no axe to grind with the Vietnam vets Against the War or the fact
that Kerry was their spokesman. My heartburn is with those who I know for a
fact ( not just have a strong suspicion ) outright lied to make their point,
and with the defenders of such people, who simply cannot accept that their
champion can do any wrong. I have the same heartburn with regard to the
outright lies used by the Swiftboaters.
If I were a Swiftboater wannabe, I would have had no problem bringing out my
concerns and beliefs during Kerry's presidential bid. I chosre not to do
so because I had no desire to help Bush's chances.

I was glad that Kerry was defeated, but disappointed that Bush won 8).

Bob Weinberger

Bob Weinberger wrote:
"Ken Fortenberry" wrote:
Well Bob, I'm afraid you're just gonna have to accept that I
find you less credible than John Kerry (and all the living
members of his crew).

That's about as vile a statement as you could make, knowing my evaluation of
Kerry's credibility.

Kerry was never a no show after I spent almost an hour
twiddling my thumbs and watching the fish rise just upstream
of where I was waiting next to a Minnesota trout stream, ;-)

--
Ken Fortenberry