Help with nymph fishing

Charlie Choc:


So fishing with a fly on a spinning outfit is 'fly fishing' in those
places.

Every place I have seen both fly fishermen and spinners fish artificials has
been marked "Artificial Lure Only", and that includes the Big Horn. Maine
never allowed any weight to be added to the fly or to the line/leaders for this
very reason. Spin fishers would put on a weighted streamer and cast away.
Then they allowed weight to be added to the fly and leader, but described fly
fishing as using a fly rod and reel with fly line and leader. As far as I
know, I have never fished "fly fishing only" waters where spin fishers were
allowed.
Dave

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I just checked the Yellowstone regs and they say "artifical lures and flies".
So, the spinners can lob a junk of brass.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

On 06 Nov 2003 22:56:30 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:

I just checked the Yellowstone regs and they say "artifical lures and flies".
So, the spinners can lob a junk of brass.
Dave

I have a picture of a sign on the Madison in Yellowstone that says
"Fly Fishing Only" on it. The Yellowstone regs say:

"THE MADISON RIVER, THE FIREHOLE RIVER, AND THE GIBBON RIVER
(DOWNSTREAM FROM GIBBON FALLS)

a. These three rivers (not including the tributaries) are restricted
to fly-fishing only (use only artificial flies regardless of the type
of rod or line)."

FWIW
--
Charlie...

Charlie Choc writes"

I have a picture of a sign on the Madison in Yellowstone that says
"Fly Fishing Only" on it. The Yellowstone regs say:

"THE MADISON RIVER, THE FIREHOLE RIVER, AND THE GIBBON RIVER
(DOWNSTREAM FROM GIBBON FALLS)

a. These three rivers (not including the tributaries) are restricted
to fly-fishing only (use only artificial flies regardless of the type
of rod or line)."

FWIW
--
Charlie...

Yep. Just found it in "area-specific regulations." Have you ever seen a
spinner there? They can't use leaded split shot, so I would imagine they'd
have to use that bubble thingy.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

On 06 Nov 2003 23:15:59 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:

Have you ever seen a
spinner there? They can't use leaded split shot, so I would imagine they'd
have to use that bubble thingy.

I don't remember seeing anyone else fishing at all when we were in
that section. My guess would be the bubble too. With a bubble you
would still need to get the depth right and get a good drift, though,
so I don't think spinning gear would have any advantage - probably
isn't easy to mend line with mono either. g
--
Charlie...

Charlie Choc writes:

My guess would be the bubble too. With a bubble you
would still need to get the depth right and get a good drift, though,
so I don't think spinning gear would have any advantage - probably
isn't easy to mend line with mono either. g
--
Charlie...

Exactly. I've seen spinners fishing streams with the bubble, but they were
using worms (or a bait sack).

Charlie Choc wrote:

On 06 Nov 2003 23:15:59 GMT, irate (Dave LaCourse)
wrote:


Have you ever seen a
spinner there? They can't use leaded split shot, so I would imagine they'd
have to use that bubble thingy.


You can use nonlead shot.




I don't remember seeing anyone else fishing at all when we were in
that section. My guess would be the bubble too. With a bubble you
would still need to get the depth right and get a good drift, though,
so I don't think spinning gear would have any advantage - probably
isn't easy to mend line with mono either. g

A mend isn't needed nearly as much with light mono. The larger diameter
of flylines and leader butts cause MUCH more drag than light mono.

Probably the most effective nymph fishermen I ever met used a weird
spin casting reel with light mono on a flyrod. (I recently wrote about
the guy here) Sometimes he used "flyrod" indicators (not bubbles),
sometimes not - depending on water conditions. Since the thin mono he
used caused little or no drag, he could get incredibly long, dragfree
drifts. Since the thin mono allowed the fly to sink more readily and
the mono produced much less drag both under the water and on the
surface, he could effectively fish spots that were "impossible" with
conventional fly gear. He caught some VERY good fish from some heavily
fished waters. I learned alot from the guy. I played around with his
"system" enough to see how effective it was but it wasn't my cup of tea.

I learned alot from the guy, some of what I learned was applicable to
"conventional" fly fishing, some not. One of the things I did take from
his method was the use of a long tippet when nymphing. I frequently use
a leader that is 80 to 90% tippet. IMO, the thin diameter tippet is much
better when nymphing than the heavy butt sections of a traditional
leader. It reduces drag, is more sensitive, provides better contact and
allows the fly to sink easier which lets you use less weight.

IMO, there are a few places and times where a flyline is better than
thin mono when nymphing but there are many where mono is MUCH better.

Willi

Will writes:

You can use nonlead shot.

Correct, but like Charlie says, I'd love to see a spinner mend his line.
Dave

http://hometown.aol.com/davplac/myhomepage/index.html

On Thu, 06 Nov 2003 17:33:55 -0700, Willi wrote:

[snip]
IMO, there are a few places and times where a flyline is better than
thin mono when nymphing but there are many where mono is MUCH better.

Interesting Willi, thanks. The only time I've ever really watched
someone use spinning gear and casting floats was when Mike used them
with streamers for seatrout. In that case the focus was on distance
and controlling the depth of the fly and drift wasn't a factor.
--
Charlie...