Catch and Release Hurts our Quality of Life

On Mar 13, 2:39 pm, "JT" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 1:40 pm, "JT" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Mar 13, 8:52 am, "JT" wrote:
"Halfordian Golfer" wrote in message

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On Mar 12, 3:47 pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
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Limited harvest will preserve a fishery forever, not to a point.
Pure
C&R creates incident mortality. Selective harvest can target
this,
so
it's more useful as a management tool. That said, any fishery
which
can not withstand the mortality incident to pure C&R (which is
always
the same or more impactful than restricted angling) should be
closed
to fishing. ...

You're not making sense. The only difference between C&R and
selective harvest is C&R kills less fish. The only thing slot
limits/selective harvest addresses is the size of the fish
harvested, it does not address incidental death due to catch
and release which is exactly the same in both cases.

--
Ken Fortenberry

I've demonstrated the fallacy of this argument 100 times. Look at it
this way. I fish 4 times a year. I kill 2 each time. That means I've
killed 8 fish. Contrast that to the angler who fishes 50 times and
averages 20 fish an outing. That's 1000 fish hooked and hauled.
Assuming 1% mortality (probably way more when you consider the
accumulated nature of stress) and you've killed 10 fish minimum.
Assume I had to hook 100 to catch my 8 so I killed 9. Unlimited C&R
kills more than restricted C&K and that's just a fact whether you
like
it or not.

This is weak, you talk about my calculations being off base! Are you
going
to set the number of times I can go fish a stream each year too.
That's
what
you would have to do given your example.

Ridiculous and you know it!

JT

In reality the numbers are actually a little skewed in your favor I
think. The overwhelming number of licensees don't catch anything. Long
been said 1% of the anglers catch 99% of the fish. These are just
facts. Why not write a letter to CDOW and get his/her opinion. Love to
see it.

On that last note, that's actually a great question JT one I asked in
one of the polls. It brings up the 365 Book but we'll talk about that
in its own thread.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

Avoiding this Question?

It's okay to catch and release several fish before you catch a
fish that meets a slot limit? What about the incident mortality in all
the
fish you release before catching a keeper!?

JT

I answered that directly JT.

In your first example this is simply culling or Selective Harvest. It
is the backbone of our management strategies and has been for a long
time. Every single lobster that comes on a lobsterman's boat is
measured. Some go in the well, some go back to grow up. One of the
reasons for this discourse is to distinguish clearly between the two.
Most fisheries managers are referring to selective harvest when they
say catch and release. Anyway, it comes back to intent.

You said that it was not the same with lobsters. It is.

It's not even close and I was asking it of you directly.... Answer it as if
I was talking to you face to face while we were fishing next to each other
on a stream. Not some double talk or BS about culling Lobster in a
commercial fishing business.

I'm waiting,
JT

JT You asked this question.

"It's okay to catch and release several fish before you catch a
fish that meets a slot limit? What about the incident mortality in all
the
fish you release before catching a keeper!?"

With all due respect, we've talked about this many, many times. In at
least a dozen responses.

Remember the thread about catching a keeper on the first catch and
quitting?

Remember the one about killing deer on the roadway on the way for the
0500 fishing date?

Remember this one:
"I've demonstrated the fallacy of this argument 100 times. Look at it
this way. I fish 4 times a year. I kill 2 each time. That means I've
killed 8 fish. Contrast that to the angler who fishes 50 times and
averages 20 fish an outing. That's 1000 fish hooked and hauled.
Assuming 1% mortality (probably way more when you consider the
accumulated nature of stress) and you've killed 10 fish minimum.
Assume I had to hook 100 to catch my 8 so I killed 9. Unlimited C&R
kills more than restricted C&K and that's just a fact whether you like
it or not."

This is based on one simple fact: There are no limits imposed on C&R
while there are hard and fast limits imposed when you kill and quit.
Please let that sink in.

Still, it's all about intent JT. With pure C&R you (we) stress, maim
and injure a fish for the hell of it. In theory pure C&R fishing is no
difference than chasing a deer with a snowmobile or paint ball hunting
for deer. If it is significantly different, than please tell me why.


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