I need help.

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]
In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Just keeping it real, however ineloquently.

Please see entire email chain below my .sig and let me know any
questions.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer
It is impossible to catch and release wild trout.

---------- email thread below -------------

Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 11:55 AM
To: IDFGINFO
Subject: Identification of stream born versus stocked trout

Idaho does not clip all the trout that we stock. We occasionally clip
some trout when conducting research projects to evaluate the success
of
our stocking programs but the majority of stocked catchable size and
fingerling size trout are not clipped.

We do clip most of the hatchery steelhead and Chinook salmon that are
released into the Clearwater and Salmon River drainages to go to the
ocean so anglers can harvest these hatchery fish when they return to
Idaho. Anglers are required to release wild fish along with the
unmarked hatchery fish destined for recovery populations.

Fred E. Partridge

-----Original Message-----
From: ]
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2008 3:48 PM
To: IDFGINFO
Subject: Identification of stream born versus stocked trout

This message was sent from the IDFG website.

Hello,

I understand that Idaho clips the adipose fins of all stocked trout in
the state to identify them from stream born fish of the same species.
Is
this universally true in the state and do you also clip the fin of
trout
fry and subcatchables when they are stocked, or just the catchables?

Thanks very much,

Tim

Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.


Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

Your pal,

TBone
It is impossibile to catch and release a wild trout.

Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Why do you suppose that there's no limit on whitefish? They're a
native species right? They're delicious smoked and people (including
myself) will often harvest 40 or more in the fall. According to you
and others here if there weren't regulations they'd be wiped out. Yet,
no limit, people harvest them in the extreme, and...wow...they're
still here.

How can that be?

Serious questions command serious answers.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.


Why do you suppose that there's no limit on whitefish? They're a
native species right? They're delicious smoked and people (including
myself) will often harvest 40 or more in the fall. According to you
and others here if there weren't regulations they'd be wiped out. Yet,
no limit, people harvest them in the extreme, and...wow...they're
still here.

I keep lots of whitefish, and frequently go out to target them
specifically . So what?

There are PLENTY of whitefish. There aren't plenty of wild trout in the
Main Fork of the Salmon.

I wish they'd stop stocking rainbows, but I don't have a say in it.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Apr 24, 9:22 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Why do you suppose that there's no limit on whitefish? They're a
native species right? They're delicious smoked and people (including
myself) will often harvest 40 or more in the fall. According to you
and others here if there weren't regulations they'd be wiped out. Yet,
no limit, people harvest them in the extreme, and...wow...they're
still here.

I keep lots of whitefish, and frequently go out to target them
specifically . So what?

There are PLENTY of whitefish. There aren't plenty of wild trout in the
Main Fork of the Salmon.

I wish they'd stop stocking rainbows, but I don't have a say in it.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

You do have a say in it.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

On Apr 24, 9:22 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Why do you suppose that there's no limit on whitefish? They're a
native species right? They're delicious smoked and people (including
myself) will often harvest 40 or more in the fall. According to you
and others here if there weren't regulations they'd be wiped out. Yet,
no limit, people harvest them in the extreme, and...wow...they're
still here.

I keep lots of whitefish, and frequently go out to target them
specifically . So what?

There are PLENTY of whitefish. There aren't plenty of wild trout in the
Main Fork of the Salmon.

I wish they'd stop stocking rainbows, but I don't have a say in it.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

BTW - I believe that every single last rainbow trout in Idaho is the
direct result of stocking them there or the descendant progeny
thereoef. I could be wrong but I do not think the rainbow trout is
indiginous there and believe there is confusion over the original
distribution, the Columbia, snake and collapse of the ancient arch
blocking upstream migration. Appreciate any additional information.

Anyway, there'd be NO *wild* rainbow trout in Idaho without having
stocked them at some point. If not Idaho than for certain Colorado.

Thus I really, really, really, really, really struggle with people
that simultaneously bash stocking programs while reaping the benefits
of them.

Makes no sense at all, does it?

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer

rw wrote:

There are PLENTY of whitefish. There aren't plenty of wild trout in the
Main Fork of the Salmon.

How many is plenty, exactly?

On Apr 24, 8:41 pm, rw wrote:
Halfordian Golfer wrote:
On Apr 24, 7:23 pm, rw wrote:

Halfordian Golfer wrote:

On Apr 22, 5:51 pm, rw wrote:
[snip]

In Idaho (at least in my parts) the apipose fins of all stocked rainbow
trout are clipped -- not just steelhead. If the fish is a multi-year
holdover its fin is still clipped. They don't grow back. Wild rainbows
(i.e., those with intact apipose fins) must be released.

Hi rw,

I checked with Idaho F&G and I hate to tell you that you've been
releasing stockers.

Oh my God! How can I ever live with myself? :-)

I don't mind releasing stockers. I mind killing wild fish.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

Good. I'm glad you fessed up.

For the record, you've conceded that you can not tell the difference
between a streamborn trout and one that was born in a hatchery and
stocked.

That's at least a step in the right direction. I appreciate your
honesty.

Now, we need to understand why you don't mind killing and causing
extinction of your indigenous cutthroat trout by releasing stocked
rainbow.

I follow the regulations.

The regulations stipulate that stream trout with intact adipose fins are
presumed to be wild and must be released, so that's what I do.

I spend most of my time fishing in waters where there is no stocking
whatsoever. ALL of the fish are wild, and must be released according to
the regulations (except for whitefish). These are mostly cutthroat that
migrate upstream during the summer, but there are a few rainbows mixed in.

Occasionally I'll fish in the Main Fork of the Salmon near town just to
catch a creel full. Virtually ALL of those fish I catch, aside from the
odd bull trout, are stockers with clipped fins. I don't believe that a
decent sized trout can even survive in that river over the winter.

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

I'll ask the boss if a decent sized fish can survive the winter in
that river. I'll let you know.

Your pal,

Halfordian Golfer