Dry and dropper question

On May 2, 9:48 am, Jarmo Hurri wrote:
Greetings Mike, I was hoping that you'd be around to answer my
question. :-)

Is there a way to make a dry and dropper rig so that adjusting the
depth of the dropper could be done easily? I do not want to use an
adjustable indicator or any other weird gadget, just two flies and
tippet / leader material.

Mike Tie your dropper on, and mount your dry fly using a loop. Just
Mike form a loop in the line, thread the loop through the eye of the
Mike hook, and over the fly. Pull slowly tight. If you want to adjust
Mike the depth, just loosen the loop and slide the dry fly along the
Mike leader.

Sounds like a _very_ elegant solution. I need this kind of a rig at
the beginning of next month when I fish for grayling with caddis larva
imitations. I will write a report here on any observations I will make
about that rig during the week.

Thanks!

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I will look forward to hearing your comments. I like this solution a
lot, because it does not use any knots either. I used the same leader
for a few weeks, and got a lot of fish, without having to change
anything at all. I did use a five foot tippet, so that I had plenty
of adjustment. I prefer to use the leader ring, as I like the "stand
off" fly better than just threading the leader loop through the dry
fly eye, but both work.

TL
MC

With regard to "bumping" fish, when using the "New Zealand rig", this
is a lot worse when fishing for grayling, because of the way they rise
and take the fly. Indeed, I can´t remember hooking a single fish on
the dry while using it. I did try it for a while, but went back to
other methods after a season or so. I don´t use it for trout fishing
any more either.

As this sliding dry fly rig is "new", I don´t have much experience
with it, ( only half a grayling season), but it looks like becoming
one of my "go to" rigs for many situations.

Obviously, this rig is primarily designed to allow the nymph, soft
hackle, etc to fish at the right depth, but I still like to get the
fish that occasionally hit the dry fly. Otherwise, I might just as
well use a sliding indicator instead of a fly.

TL
MC

With regard to the twist in the loop. You can twist the loop before
you thread it through the eye, or after. If you do it before, it can
be difficult to pull the loop tight. It really does lock the loop
better though.

Once again a sketch of what I mean. This is twisted before of course.
If you do it after, thread the loop first, and then twist it before
threading the fly through it.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/9982/twistuu2.jpg

TL
MC

One final point which may be important here. A friend I met on the
water watched me using this rig, and was very enthusiastic about it. I
showed it to him,it really is very simple, takes longer to describe
it, than to do it. It also only takes seconds to adjust the depth, or
even to remove and re-attach the dry fly if desired, and the leader is
not compromised at all. No cuts, no knots, or other messing about.

Anyway, he set the rig up, and wandered off to another run. I met him
again later in the afternoon, and he told me that he had been broken a
couple of times at the loop on the eye of the dry fly, ( he had no
leader rings, and I had none with me), which surprised me a lot, as I
have never been broken like this.

It turned out he was using fluorocarbon tippet, and it seems this
stuff does not like being kinked sharply! Maybe he had poor stuff, or
something, or there were other reasons for this. I really don´t know.
I don´t use fluorocarbon, I only use nylon.

If you want to use fluorocarbon line, this may be an issue for you.
But I don´t know, as I have hardly any experience with it. I only
tried it for a while, and then went back to using nylon.

TL
MC

If you want to lock the loop in position more firmly, then take one
side of the loop once or twice around the hook shank, before feeding
the loop over it.

If you get a big fish on the dry, this will kink your line more as it
slides down the leader, but this did not cause me any particular
problems. The biggest problem I had was actually getting the loop
through the eye of some smaller dry flies, which is why I prefer the
leader ring setup as well.

You can also lock the leader ring more firmly using a similar
technique, just thread the loop twice through the ring, before
threading your fly and dropper through the loop. This will still slide
easily if you loosen the loop, but will take a lot more force to slide
it if the loop is tight. Indeed, if you feed it through three times
for instance, it probably wont slide at all unless you loosen the
loop.

I broke wet 6 lb mono trying variations of this, without the ring
sliding at all of course.

However, if I was getting a lot of fish on the dry fly, I would take
the nymph off, and fish a pure dry fly set up anyway.

TL
MC

On Fri, 2 May 2008 09:12:29 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

If you want to lock the loop in position more firmly, then take one
side of the loop once or twice around the hook shank, before feeding
the loop over it.

If you get a big fish on the dry, this will kink your line more as it
slides down the leader, but this did not cause me any particular
problems. The biggest problem I had was actually getting the loop
through the eye of some smaller dry flies, which is why I prefer the
leader ring setup as well.

You can also lock the leader ring more firmly using a similar
technique, just thread the loop twice through the ring, before
threading your fly and dropper through the loop. This will still slide
easily if you loosen the loop, but will take a lot more force to slide
it if the loop is tight. Indeed, if you feed it through three times
for instance, it probably wont slide at all unless you loosen the
loop.

I broke wet 6 lb mono trying variations of this, without the ring
sliding at all of course.

However, if I was getting a lot of fish on the dry fly, I would take
the nymph off, and fish a pure dry fly set up anyway.

Um, so let's recap, shall we...this FAB-U-LOUS NEW!!! idea of yours is
perfect, except for those fishing for, well, anything and using, well,
anything, while doing, well, anything, under, well, any conditions...but
you've had, well, not really much success with it...yeah, boy, sounds
like a real winner you got there...

Sheesh,
Dickie

TL
MC