Dual nymphs

Mike wrote in news:a42f7e09-3eb2-4870-96e2-
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I canït see any point in doing it at all, you have even less control
than if you only used one. You will just end up with tangles. If you
want to use a nymph, then it is easier to learn to do it using an
indicator.


Disagree. Dual nymphs are an extremely effective way of essentially
doubling your chances of having a nymph in the fish's strike zone. It's
particularly beneficial for beginners, who have a harder time controlling
the nymph's drift than an experienced nympher. I've never had a problem
with tangles, especially tying the dropper off the bend of the higher hook,
and if I did, I'd probably still use the method, because it can be
absolutely deadly.

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On May 2, 8:11 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

Disagree. Dual nymphs are an extremely effective way of essentially
doubling your chances of having a nymph in the fish's strike zone. It's
particularly beneficial for beginners, who have a harder time controlling
the nymph's drift than an experienced nympher. I've never had a problem
with tangles, especially tying the dropper off the bend of the higher hook,
and if I did, I'd probably still use the method, because it can be
absolutely deadly.

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Scott
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If they can´t control the drift of one nymph, how does using two
improve matters?

Multi-fly rigs are invariably just a waste of time for beginners, they
spend more time trying to remove tangles, and casting without hooking
themselves, than they do fishing.

TL
MC

On May 2, 2:19 pm, Mike wrote:

If they can´t control the drift of one nymph, how does using two
improve matters?

Multi-fly rigs are invariably just a waste of time for beginners, they
spend more time trying to remove tangles, and casting without hooking
themselves, than they do fishing.


I couldn't disagree with this more strongly. I've rigged 8 year old
kids up with dual rig nymphs and they don't tangle any more than
single nymphs. The parts that cause tangles are the strike indicator
and split shot. If you're just looking to avoid tangles, get rid of
the shot, and make the point fly a heavy bead head.

As to you presumedly rhetorical question about control, there's at
least some chance that there's enough slack between the two flies that
one of them has some chance of dead drifting, as least a short
distance. (I hadn't thought about this before, but I think whoever
suggested it is right.)

Bob

On May 2, 9:17 pm, redietz wrote:


I couldn't disagree with this more strongly. I've rigged 8 year old
kids up with dual rig nymphs and they don't tangle any more than
single nymphs. The parts that cause tangles are the strike indicator
and split shot. If you're just looking to avoid tangles, get rid of
the shot, and make the point fly a heavy bead head.

As to you presumedly rhetorical question about control, there's at
least some chance that there's enough slack between the two flies that
one of them has some chance of dead drifting, as least a short
distance. (I hadn't thought about this before, but I think whoever
suggested it is right.)

Bob

The only thing I rig 8 year old kids up with is a bobber and a worm.
Seems to work very well;

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9358/an4jx1.jpg

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/4614/an1fu4.jpg

TL
MC

Mike wrote in news:163e3f31-10d3-4808-af2b-
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If they canït control the drift of one nymph, how does using two
improve matters?


When you've got two flies separated by 24" or so, there's a greater
likelihood that at least one of them will be in the right place at the
right time. Even for those who have experience, depth variations in the
streams are easier to deal with when you have two nymphs.

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On May 2, 9:45 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:

When you've got two flies separated by 24" or so, there's a greater
likelihood that at least one of them will be in the right place at the
right time. Even for those who have experience, depth variations in the
streams are easier to deal with when you have two nymphs.

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Scott
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Not logical to assume that. Indeed, if you use two nymphs, it is far
more likely that at least one will definitely be in the wrong place
most of the time, and is thus superfluous. If the bottom nymph is
dragging on the bottom, it will keep giving false bite indications as
well.

If you want to use two nymphs, fine. I don´t mind, hell, you can use
ten if you like.

TL
MC

Mike wrote in news:89e09b57-d515-4811-80d2-
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Not logical to assume that.

No need to assume anything that hours of field testing verifies.

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On May 2, 9:56 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:89e09b57-d515-4811-80d2-
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Not logical to assume that.

No need to assume anything that hours of field testing verifies.

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If you tried fishing in the water, at the correct depth, then you
might change your mind. No matter how many hours you test a two nymph
rig in a field, neither of the nymphs will be in the best place for
catching a fish.

If you do fish in the water, and have no idea of the water depth, then
using two flies is not going to change that. Regardless of the depth
you set, you only have two possibilities. Either both flies are in
the wrong place. or one fly is in the wrong place.

At least if you use only one fly, you can´t have two flies in the
wrong place.

TL
MC

On Fri, 2 May 2008 13:03:36 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

On May 2, 9:56 pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:89e09b57-d515-4811-80d2-
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Not logical to assume that.

No need to assume anything that hours of field testing verifies.

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Scott
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If you tried fishing in the water,

Like in a bowl...?

at the correct depth,

OK, how big is the bowl...?

then you might change your mind.

Yeah, anything is possible...

No matter how many hours you test a two nymph
rig in a field, neither of the nymphs will be in the best place for
catching a fish.

Testing proves it...

If you do fish in the water,

A soup bowl? A salad bowl? A trainstation toilet bowl?

and have no idea of the water depth, then
using two flies is not going to change that.

But one is better than side-scan sonar...

Regardless of the depth you set, you only have two possibilities.

Dumb and dumber?

Either both flies are in the wrong place.

One in the bowl and one in Dieter's mouth...?

or one fly is in the wrong place.

Well, if anyone ought to know about the wrong place for his fly, it'd be
you...

At least if you use only one fly, you can´t have two flies in the
wrong place.

Sure you can - one in the bowl and one in Dieter...

TL
MC

HTH,
Dickie

Scott Seidman wrote:
Mike wrote in news:a42f7e09-3eb2-4870-96e2-
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I canït see any point in doing it at all, you have even less control
than if you only used one. You will just end up with tangles. If you
want to use a nymph, then it is easier to learn to do it using an
indicator.



Disagree. Dual nymphs are an extremely effective way of essentially
doubling your chances of having a nymph in the fish's strike zone. It's
particularly beneficial for beginners, who have a harder time controlling
the nymph's drift than an experienced nympher. I've never had a problem
with tangles, especially tying the dropper off the bend of the higher hook,
and if I did, I'd probably still use the method, because it can be
absolutely deadly.

A two-nymph rig is, I believe, more that twice as effective as a
one-nymph rig.

The reason is that when you miss a strike on the first fly you're likely
to snag the fish with the second. :-)

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