Dual nymphs

Mike wrote:
On May 2, 9:13 pm, rw wrote:


A two-nymph rig is, I believe, more that twice as effective as a
one-nymph rig.

The reason is that when you miss a strike on the first fly you're likely
to snag the fish with the second. :-)

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Wouldn´t surprise me at all!

TL
MC

Some people who use two-nymph rigs and regularly snag fish in the anus
and everywhere else get all upset about someone using a plastic egg bead
pegged 3" or less (per Alaska regs) above a hook. It's snagging! Never
mind that the "snags" are usually on the outside of the mouth where they
do the least harm.

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rw wrote in
m:

Some people who use two-nymph rigs and regularly snag fish in the anus


When I meet someone who regularly snags fish while using two nymphs, I'll
ask him about it. Meantime, a 3-fly cast of wets is as traditional a fly
fishing setup as you'll ever find.

Regarding this fish anus fixation of yours, I've heard that if you want to
have your way with the fish, it's neater if you wrap it in duct tape.

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On May 3, 2:25 am, Scott Seidman wrote:

When I meet someone who regularly snags fish while using two nymphs, I'll
ask him about it. Meantime, a 3-fly cast of wets is as traditional a fly
fishing setup as you'll ever find.

A three fly cast of wet flies is indeed a traditional method, but what
has that to do with fishing two weighted nymphs, most likely with
split shot weights or bead heads, and a bobber to boot, in water of
unknown depth, thus apparently necessitating using two of them in the
first place?

Much less fish anuses, or duct tape?

Such a weighted rig is commonly used for raking fish. For the simple
reason that unweighted flies don´t work very well for such a purpose.
This is not to say that everbody who uses such double fly weighted
rigs is attempting to rake fish, but such a rig makes it possible. The
chance of snagging a fish with a single weighted nymph is very
considerably less, indeed vanishingly small. Even if you know how deep
the water is.

Just once, it would be really nice to see a sensible logical pleasant
discussion of some tactic or other on here, without any name calling,
bull****, or total stupidity.

MC

Mike wrote in news:e02e11b5-4948-4622-950d-
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Such a weighted rig is commonly used for raking fish. For the simple
reason that unweighted flies donït work very well for such a purpose.


In fact, I'll weight the upper fly, and the lower fly is unweighted.
Weighting the lower fly would be illegal on some of the waters I fish.


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On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT), Mike
wrote:

in water of
unknown depth, thus apparently necessitating using two of them in the
first place?

Why do you say water of unknown depth? Just about every water I fish
I know how deep it is. And, the last person I heard criticize a
strike indicator was George Gehrke, and he did so only because he
didn't sell them. Some of the best nymphers *in the United States*
use multi-fly rigs (where legal) and strike indicators. If I am high
sticking it, I do not use an indicator. But that is not the only way
to nymph. If I am going up and across (very effective) I use a strike
indicator; it makes mending easier and you can better control the
depth of the fly.

Nothing wrong with multi-fly rigs or strike indicators.

Dave

On May 3, 3:05 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT), Mike

wrote:
in water of
unknown depth, thus apparently necessitating using two of them in the
first place?

Why do you say water of unknown depth? Just about every water I fish
I know how deep it is. And, the last person I heard criticize a
strike indicator was George Gehrke, and he did so only because he
didn't sell them. Some of the best nymphers *in the United States*
use multi-fly rigs (where legal) and strike indicators. If I am high
sticking it, I do not use an indicator. But that is not the only way
to nymph. If I am going up and across (very effective) I use a strike
indicator; it makes mending easier and you can better control the
depth of the fly.

Nothing wrong with multi-fly rigs or strike indicators.

Dave

Because that was a reason given for using them;

QUOTE

When you've got two flies separated by 24" or so, there's a greater
likelihood that at least one of them will be in the right place at the
right time. Even for those who have experience, depth variations in
the
streams are easier to deal with when you have two nymphs.

UNQUOTE

I have nothing at all against multi-fly rigs, or indicators either. I
often use them myself.

The main point here is, that a beginner was asking the best way to use
a dual nymph rig, and in my opinion, the most sensible answer to that
question from a beginner is "not at all".

I think he would be better advised to use a single nymph with an
indicator. Once he gains some experience with that, he can then use
multi fly rigs if he wishes, but it is usually folly to start with
them.

Some obviously disagree. Good. No problem.

The gentleman concerned will no doubt make his own mind up about it
anyway.

MC

Mike wrote in news:50fd594b-233d-4283-bda7-
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QUOTE

When you've got two flies separated by 24" or so, there's a greater
likelihood that at least one of them will be in the right place at the
right time. Even for those who have experience, depth variations in
the
streams are easier to deal with when you have two nymphs.

UNQUOTE


Mike. I'm well aware that Germans mandate a maximum of 2" of depth
variation on their stream bottoms, but that's not the way it is in the US.
I don't believe I mentioned strike indicators at all. They can be very
useful to determine if you're getting a dead drift or not. One other trick
for nymphing is that lighter tippets mean less profile for the current to
push your rig around.

Obviously, if one fly in a two nymph rig is in the perfect place, the other
fly is not. The probability of one fly being in the right place, though,
is still better.

Nymphing can be tough and hard work, especially if your doing it right. I
think many folks don't appreciate the three-dimensionality of the problem.
In any case, every little bit helps. I find that using a second fly
increases my catch rate without increasing my rate of foul hooking, and
that's what I'll tell anyone who asks about it.


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On May 3, 3:29 am, Scott Seidman wrote:

Mike. I'm well aware that Germans mandate a maximum of 2" of depth
variation on their stream bottoms, but that's not the way it is in the US.
I don't believe I mentioned strike indicators at all. They can be very
useful to determine if you're getting a dead drift or not. One other trick
for nymphing is that lighter tippets mean less profile for the current to
push your rig around.

Obviously, if one fly in a two nymph rig is in the perfect place, the other
fly is not. The probability of one fly being in the right place, though,
is still better.

Nymphing can be tough and hard work, especially if your doing it right. I
think many folks don't appreciate the three-dimensionality of the problem.
In any case, every little bit helps. I find that using a second fly
increases my catch rate without increasing my rate of foul hooking, and
that's what I'll tell anyone who asks about it.

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Scott
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Well, if you are well aware of what Germans mandate, there is not much
point in any further discussion is there?

Seems a lot of you folks are well aware of almost everything,
excepting common sense, manners, and civil behaviour.

MC

Mike wrote:


I have nothing at all against multi-fly rigs, or indicators either. I
often use them myself.

The main point here is, that a beginner was asking the best way to use
a dual nymph rig, and in my opinion, the most sensible answer to that
question from a beginner is "not at all".

I think he would be better advised to use a single nymph with an
indicator. Once he gains some experience with that, he can then use
multi fly rigs if he wishes, but it is usually folly to start with
them.

Some obviously disagree. Good. No problem.

The gentleman concerned will no doubt make his own mind up about it
anyway.

MC

I am with Mike on the multi-fly rigs for beginners. I think it is better
for a beginner to use a single nymph and learn to get good drifts,
detect strikes, get good hook ups, and cast weighted nymphs properly
rather than spending all their time untangling flies and becoming
frustrated.

Tim Lysyk

On 2008-05-06, Tim Lysyk wrote:

I am with Mike on the multi-fly rigs for beginners. I think it is better
for a beginner to use a single nymph and learn to get good drifts,
detect strikes, get good hook ups, and cast weighted nymphs properly
rather than spending all their time untangling flies and becoming
frustrated.

I agree and have abandoned any attempts at a duely. But, that raises
another question I've not seen adequately addressed on the net. I've seen
very informative articles on BH nymphs, drifting weighted nymphs, strike
indicators, etc, but precious little on the specifics of weight how-tos.
Just exactly what is the proper weight for a #18 caddis nymph? In fact,
just exactly what are FF weights? Spin fishing split shot? I've read about
twist-on weights, but still little about technique. How heavy? What type?
Where placed?

One, two, three... Go!

nb