Dual nymphs

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On Fri, 02 May 2008 14:40:13 -0700, rw
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:19:24 -0400, Dave LaCourse
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You can use more than one without getting tangles by simply using a
circle cast - when your fly drifts past and below you on the stream,
simply pick up the line and lob it upstream without any false casting.


Um, why would one false cast a nymph (or a nymph rig)?

To get line out. Duh!


Well, **** fire and save matches, why not just pull some of that there
fishing strang outta the top of yer pole and sling it like it was a
lasso...?

No actual reply to the issue -- just over the top bull****, as usual.

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On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:48:12 -0700, rw
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 14:40:13 -0700, rw
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 16:19:24 -0400, Dave LaCourse
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You can use more than one without getting tangles by simply using a
circle cast - when your fly drifts past and below you on the stream,
simply pick up the line and lob it upstream without any false casting.


Um, why would one false cast a nymph (or a nymph rig)?

To get line out. Duh!


Well, **** fire and save matches, why not just pull some of that there
fishing strang outta the top of yer pole and sling it like it was a
lasso...?

No actual reply to the issue -- just over the top bull****, as usual.

The "issue" (I'll use your word, but I don't consider it an "issue") is
that one shouldn't be false-casting double rigs - or at the very least,
novices should definitely not be doing so - and false-casting a nymph
should be, well, let's say the exception rather than the rule. Dave
said it, and therefore, I asked Dave why he thought one would do it. You
joined in with a smart-assed remark and so, on that "issue," you got an
"actual reply."

And there you are,
R

rw wrote in
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Some people who use two-nymph rigs and regularly snag fish in the anus


When I meet someone who regularly snags fish while using two nymphs, I'll
ask him about it. Meantime, a 3-fly cast of wets is as traditional a fly
fishing setup as you'll ever find.

Regarding this fish anus fixation of yours, I've heard that if you want to
have your way with the fish, it's neater if you wrap it in duct tape.

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Scott
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On May 3, 2:25 am, Scott Seidman wrote:

When I meet someone who regularly snags fish while using two nymphs, I'll
ask him about it. Meantime, a 3-fly cast of wets is as traditional a fly
fishing setup as you'll ever find.

A three fly cast of wet flies is indeed a traditional method, but what
has that to do with fishing two weighted nymphs, most likely with
split shot weights or bead heads, and a bobber to boot, in water of
unknown depth, thus apparently necessitating using two of them in the
first place?

Much less fish anuses, or duct tape?

Such a weighted rig is commonly used for raking fish. For the simple
reason that unweighted flies don´t work very well for such a purpose.
This is not to say that everbody who uses such double fly weighted
rigs is attempting to rake fish, but such a rig makes it possible. The
chance of snagging a fish with a single weighted nymph is very
considerably less, indeed vanishingly small. Even if you know how deep
the water is.

Just once, it would be really nice to see a sensible logical pleasant
discussion of some tactic or other on here, without any name calling,
bull****, or total stupidity.

MC

Mike wrote in news:e02e11b5-4948-4622-950d-
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Such a weighted rig is commonly used for raking fish. For the simple
reason that unweighted flies donït work very well for such a purpose.


In fact, I'll weight the upper fly, and the lower fly is unweighted.
Weighting the lower fly would be illegal on some of the waters I fish.


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Scott
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On Fri, 02 May 2008 14:57:37 -0700, rw
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Some people who use two-nymph rigs and regularly snag fish in the anus
and everywhere else get all upset about someone using a plastic egg bead
pegged 3" or less (per Alaska regs) above a hook. It's snagging! Never
mind that the "snags" are usually on the outside of the mouth where they
do the least harm.

Every time I have used the glass (plastic) egg pegged above the hook,
the hook-set has almost always been in the upper jaw, smack damn in
the middle of the mouth, a position that, as you say does the least
harm.

I asked a Maine Game Warden about using this method and he said that
if I used a fly as the hook it would be legal.

Dave

On 3 May 2008 00:25:33 GMT, Scott Seidman
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I've heard that if you want to
have your way with the fish, it's neater if you wrap it in duct tape.

Too funny, Scott. POTM. Early too.

Dave

On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT), Mike
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in water of
unknown depth, thus apparently necessitating using two of them in the
first place?

Why do you say water of unknown depth? Just about every water I fish
I know how deep it is. And, the last person I heard criticize a
strike indicator was George Gehrke, and he did so only because he
didn't sell them. Some of the best nymphers *in the United States*
use multi-fly rigs (where legal) and strike indicators. If I am high
sticking it, I do not use an indicator. But that is not the only way
to nymph. If I am going up and across (very effective) I use a strike
indicator; it makes mending easier and you can better control the
depth of the fly.

Nothing wrong with multi-fly rigs or strike indicators.

Dave

On Fri, 02 May 2008 17:10:35 -0500, wrote:

If I want to get some distance, false casting is necessary.

I'll accept that it may be necessary for you (and maybe others)...but it
isn't necessary.

And, yes, I do it all the time, effectively too.

That's fair enough, but just because some find it necessary or effective
doesn't mean that it IS necessary or effective for all (or at all).


Well, if you can pull 60 feet of line off your reel and cast it 60
feet without using a false cast, good luck. I'd pay money to see that
one.

Davey

On May 3, 3:05 am, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 2 May 2008 17:46:13 -0700 (PDT), Mike

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in water of
unknown depth, thus apparently necessitating using two of them in the
first place?

Why do you say water of unknown depth? Just about every water I fish
I know how deep it is. And, the last person I heard criticize a
strike indicator was George Gehrke, and he did so only because he
didn't sell them. Some of the best nymphers *in the United States*
use multi-fly rigs (where legal) and strike indicators. If I am high
sticking it, I do not use an indicator. But that is not the only way
to nymph. If I am going up and across (very effective) I use a strike
indicator; it makes mending easier and you can better control the
depth of the fly.

Nothing wrong with multi-fly rigs or strike indicators.

Dave

Because that was a reason given for using them;

QUOTE

When you've got two flies separated by 24" or so, there's a greater
likelihood that at least one of them will be in the right place at the
right time. Even for those who have experience, depth variations in
the
streams are easier to deal with when you have two nymphs.

UNQUOTE

I have nothing at all against multi-fly rigs, or indicators either. I
often use them myself.

The main point here is, that a beginner was asking the best way to use
a dual nymph rig, and in my opinion, the most sensible answer to that
question from a beginner is "not at all".

I think he would be better advised to use a single nymph with an
indicator. Once he gains some experience with that, he can then use
multi fly rigs if he wishes, but it is usually folly to start with
them.

Some obviously disagree. Good. No problem.

The gentleman concerned will no doubt make his own mind up about it
anyway.

MC