Dual nymphs

On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:19:17 -0500, wrote:

Put up or shut up,

It would be a waste of precious time, Richard. NO ONE can cast sixty
feet of line with a conventional fly rod - say a 9 ft 5 weight -
without using a false cast and thereby a back cast.

We're gonna hafta call you Lefty Dean before long.

tagh

d;o)

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
NO ONE can cast sixty
feet of line with a conventional fly rod - say a 9 ft 5 weight -
without using a false cast and thereby a back cast.

hmmm....not even by letting out, say 45 feet of line into the flow, then
roll casting and feeding the other 15 feet on the roll?? I'm not sure that
can't be done. Not all all sure.
Tom

On Sat, 03 May 2008 14:58:11 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

hmmm....not even by letting out, say 45 feet of line into the flow, then
roll casting and feeding the other 15 feet on the roll?? I'm not sure that
can't be done. Not all all sure.

Would YOU want to fish like that? A nymph (usually fished weighted)
would drag down some of the line. Try it, Tom, and get back to us.
d;o)

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
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Would YOU want to fish like that?

No, it's hardly a favorite method for me, but it CAN be done. In fact, that
was the only way to get to a very good midstream trout at Penn's last week
with a pair of wets.
I'd love to report that I landed the fish, but I did hook and lose it.....

A nymph (usually fished weighted)
would drag down some of the line. Try it, Tom, and get back to us.
d;o)

as reported above, I have, but only with unweighted flies.
In fact, I use that cast a few times in the fall with streamers, on a 6
weight, clear intermediate tipped floater.
We're talking about 3 inch Brown Trout imitations in heavy water, in this
case.
And, no, before the nit-picking enters, I wouldn't recommend such a
long-range flail with weighted nymphs.
In fact, I wouldn't recommend anything beyond getting as close to the quarry
as one can when fishing with weighted nymphs.
Tom

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:41:13 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 00:19:17 -0500, wrote:

Put up or shut up,

It would be a waste of precious time, Richard. NO ONE can cast sixty
feet of line with a conventional fly rod - say a 9 ft 5 weight -
without using a false cast and thereby a back cast.

Uh-huh...sounds a whole lot like the wiggling of a loud-mouthed coward.
You never said anything about "conventional" or "a 9 ft. 5 weight" or no
back cast when you were running your mouth about "big bucks" and how it
couldn't be done without a false cast:

"I would still pay big bucks to see you cast 60 feet of line *without* a
false cast (which would require a back cast), eh?"

It's becoming obvious that you don't have anywhere near the stones to
actually follow through with what you ran your mouth about OR have the
stones to admit that you popped off a bit quick, but just to finish it -
I'll do it as you offered, and do it with a conventional fly rod - heck,
some special rod isn't necessary anyway. What's your idea of "big
bucks" - $50,000.00 US dollars? $10,000.00 US dollars? How many US
dollars do you consider "big bucks?"

We're gonna hafta call you Lefty Dean before long.

And "we're" gonna have to call you a loud-mouthed puss right here and
now...

Put up or shut up,
R

tagh

d;o)

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:39:06 -0500, wrote:

It's becoming obvious that you don't have anywhere near the stones to
actually follow through with what you ran your mouth about OR have the
stones to admit that you popped off a bit quick, but just to finish it -
I'll do it as you offered, and do it with a conventional fly rod - heck,
some special rod isn't necessary anyway. What's your idea of "big
bucks" - $50,000.00 US dollars? $10,000.00 US dollars? How many US
dollars do you consider "big bucks?"


Ok, Richard. Maine, the Rapid River, last week in May. Show up. Big
bucks would be $100. And we were talking about nymphing. You nymph
with a 5 or 6 weight, not a 12 weight salt water rod, and not a spey
rod. Five or six weight. Show up. I'll be there. BTW, you could
cast a nymph more than 60 feet WITH a spey rod, but most (all?) of us
nymph with 5 or 6 weights. Some even 4 weights. And, I'm betting
that you could cast a nymph more than 60 feet with a 12 weight without
false casting.

Come on.

I've always wanted to meet you anyway, but having been to Mississippi
and Louisiana after Katrina, have no interest whatsoever of returning.
Do hope you understand, bucko.

Davey

On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:30:51 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 10:39:06 -0500, wrote:

It's becoming obvious that you don't have anywhere near the stones to
actually follow through with what you ran your mouth about OR have the
stones to admit that you popped off a bit quick, but just to finish it -
I'll do it as you offered, and do it with a conventional fly rod - heck,
some special rod isn't necessary anyway. What's your idea of "big
bucks" - $50,000.00 US dollars? $10,000.00 US dollars? How many US
dollars do you consider "big bucks?"


Ok, Richard. Maine, the Rapid River, last week in May. Show up. Big
bucks would be $100. And we were talking about nymphing. You nymph
with a 5 or 6 weight, not a 12 weight salt water rod, and not a spey
rod. Five or six weight. Show up. I'll be there. BTW, you could
cast a nymph more than 60 feet WITH a spey rod, but most (all?) of us
nymph with 5 or 6 weights. Some even 4 weights. And, I'm betting
that you could cast a nymph more than 60 feet with a 12 weight without
false casting.

Come on.

I've always wanted to meet you anyway, but having been to Mississippi
and Louisiana after Katrina, have no interest whatsoever of returning.
Do hope you understand, bucko.

Davey

Uh-huh. More wiggling and creative editing (and what's the point of
that, anyway - the posts are there for anyone interested to see and
read...). If you just had the stones to say, "Hey, perhaps I was a bit
hasty..." It's obvious you don't have the balls or the "big bucks" to
put up or shut up, so that's about the end of it.

And there you are,
R

On Sat, 03 May 2008 11:42:07 -0500, wrote:

It's obvious you don't have the balls or the "big bucks" to
put up or shut up, so that's about the end of it.

Hey, tell ya what..... The next time we are at a clave together (oh,
just remembered, you don't clave.... do you fly fish?), I'll give you
my 8'9" Winston LT5, rigged normally for nymphing (unweighted #18
pheasant tail and small shot, 7 1/2 ft leader [plus 18" tippet],
floating Cortland line) and if you can cast the nymph 60 feet without
falsecasting (and no floating the line downstream or rollcasting
several times [which is really false casting]), I'll give you $100.
Hell, it would be worth a hundred bucks to learn HOW to cast a five
weight 60 feet without falsecasting. And, we are talking conventional
fly rod and a conventional cast. No fair tying a large weight to the
line to get distance (you know....whirly birding that sucker around
and around and then chucking it). Just a normal 5 weight fly rod,
reel, line, leader, split shot, fly, with 60 feet of line lying at
your feet.... now cast that without falsecasting. I'd love to see it.
The original conversation was about nymphing. That is my nymphing set
up. A hundred bucks if you can.

Oh, yeah, almost forgot. Don't call me at midnight anymore with
stupid questions.

d;o)

On Sat, 03 May 2008 13:16:42 -0400, Dave LaCourse
wrote:

On Sat, 03 May 2008 11:42:07 -0500, wrote:

It's obvious you don't have the balls or the "big bucks" to
put up or shut up, so that's about the end of it.

Hey, tell ya what.....

Hey, I'll tell you what - you're all mouth.

The next time we are at a clave together (oh,
just remembered, you don't clave.... do you fly fish?), I'll give you
my 8'9" Winston LT5, rigged normally for nymphing (unweighted #18
pheasant tail and small shot, 7 1/2 ft leader [plus 18" tippet],
floating Cortland line) and if you can cast the nymph 60 feet without
falsecasting (and no floating the line downstream or rollcasting
several times [which is really false casting]), I'll give you $100.
Hell, it would be worth a hundred bucks to learn HOW to cast a five
weight 60 feet without falsecasting. And, we are talking conventional
fly rod and a conventional cast. No fair tying a large weight to the
line to get distance (you know....whirly birding that sucker around
and around and then chucking it). Just a normal 5 weight fly rod,
reel, line, leader, split shot, fly, with 60 feet of line lying at
your feet.... now cast that without falsecasting. I'd love to see it.
The original conversation was about nymphing. That is my nymphing set
up. A hundred bucks if you can.

SNICKER More wiggling. You never said anything about fishing rigs,
gear types, or any other qualifiers:

"I would still pay big bucks to see you cast 60 feet of line *without* a
false cast (which would require a back cast), eh?"

You offered. I accepted your offer. And if hundred bucks is your idea
of "big bucks," you're not even worth fooling with even if you had the
stones to stand by your words or the honor to admit your ****-up.

You called the game, but don't have the balls (or the bucks) to play.

I'm done with it,
R

On Sat, 03 May 2008 12:53:42 -0500, wrote:

"I would still pay big bucks to see you cast 60 feet of line *without* a
false cast (which would require a back cast), eh?"

You offered. I accepted your offer. And if hundred bucks is your idea
of "big bucks," you're not even worth fooling with even if you had the
stones to stand by your words or the honor to admit your ****-up.

We were talking at the time about a nymphing rig, which in my idea is
a normal trout fly rod, 4-6 weight. I can not imagine you or anyone
else piling 60 feet of line at their feet and casting it without a
false cast of two. No way. RW's answer and my answer are correct -
for more distance. And if you can't false cast a nymphing rig with a
4 - 6 weight rod, you ain't a fly fisherman.

I didn't "**** up". We meet sometime, I got a hundred bucks that says
you can not cast 60 feet of nymphing rig without falsecasting it.
Accept it like a gentleman or shut the **** up.

Dave
(And PLEASE, do not call me at mid-night)