Boating restrictions due to mussels?

Turns out this is a done deal. $7.00 per boat inspection with a
banding program for repeat boaters.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sec/672363882.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boatingwx3.jpg

So there will be much rubber stamping done at Tuesday's public
meeting. The cost of the program is expected to be up to $700,000 and
there were 150,000 launch permits issued in the county last year. The
county and the water district were fighting over who would take
financial responsibility. Doesn't sound like too much of a risk to me.

I still think I'll attend the meeting and ask how they arrived at the
$7.00 figure. I'll also ask if it is open-ended. I'm sure the plan is
to inspect indefinitely, but if no mussels are found in the lake or
during inspections for a year or more, why continue inspections? I'll
also ask if a one time yearly inspection fee is possible. I have a
annual pass for my boat and tow rig for the county. It would be nice
to have the same for the inspections. I doubt they'll go for this as
the inspections are done by an outside company, but it can't hurt to
ask.

-mike

On May 10, 6:41 pm, (Geoff Miller) wrote:
phishrace writes:
Not sure how it's plumbed, but it is an extension. The big
outlet at Calero was shut off right away and hasn't been
used since. Now they are bringing in water with the smaller
pipes below.

I had no idea that these reservoirs were connected to one
another. I'd always had the impression that each one was
filled only from its own local watershed, and that there
was one outlet pipe per reservoir for drawing out water.

I don't know the exact details, but the pipeline from San Justo was
extended north later. The steelhead fishermen in the Santa Cruz
mountains are trying to get another extension and they want to lower
the outtake pipelines at San Luis so they draw even more water from
SL.

Much of this info was available online prior to 9/11. Maps and lots of
details. Not any more.

Yeah, it sucks close to home. But when you think about
it, we can be camping on the beach in 1/2 an hour, the
Delta in 1 hour, or the Sierras in 2 1/2. It could be
a lot worse!

Where fo you recommend for camping in the Delta? The only
place I've camped there is Brannan Island State Park, and
that was back when I was Boy Scout. Places with showers
would be a plus...

The state park at Brannan is where we always go. A local fishing board
I post on...

http://www.anglernet.net

has a get together there every fall in the group areas. Great striper
fishing area and used to be an excellent salmon fishing area. They
have showers and the park is very well maintained. I always get an
overnight berth. I've also camped at other resorts in the Delta, but
always come back to Brannan. Camping is best, by far, before Memorial
Day and after Labor Day. Can be windy in the area and with big tides
sometimes going against big winds. 3 mile slough, where the 6 lane
ramp is located, is protected.

Winds can be monitored here...

http://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/queryF?s=RVB&d=
(click LATEST link for updates)

If you want to leave the tent at home, Vierra's has cottages and
berths...

http://vieiras95641.tripod.com/

Vierra's is in a protected area of the old river and is also on
Brannan Island. I have never stayed there, but have launched there
lots of times (when it was too windy at the ends of 3 mile slough) and
have never heard any complaints. The spring striper run has been
outstanding this year with many large fish caught in the Brannan
Island area.

-mike

That's just friggin' wonderful. The ramp at Anderson is clogged as it is on
busy days... this oughta make it just a JOY. Thanks for the info.

--Mike

"phishrace" wrote in message
...
Turns out this is a done deal. $7.00 per boat inspection with a
banding program for repeat boaters.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sec/672363882.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boatingwx3.jpg

So there will be much rubber stamping done at Tuesday's public
meeting. The cost of the program is expected to be up to $700,000 and
there were 150,000 launch permits issued in the county last year. The
county and the water district were fighting over who would take
financial responsibility. Doesn't sound like too much of a risk to me.

I still think I'll attend the meeting and ask how they arrived at the
$7.00 figure. I'll also ask if it is open-ended. I'm sure the plan is
to inspect indefinitely, but if no mussels are found in the lake or
during inspections for a year or more, why continue inspections? I'll
also ask if a one time yearly inspection fee is possible. I have a
annual pass for my boat and tow rig for the county. It would be nice
to have the same for the inspections. I doubt they'll go for this as
the inspections are done by an outside company, but it can't hurt to
ask.

-mike

On Sun, 11 May 2008 12:53:19 -0700 (PDT), phishrace
wrote:

Turns out this is a done deal. $7.00 per boat inspection with a
banding program for repeat boaters.

http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sec/672363882.html

http://img443.imageshack.us/my.php?image=boatingwx3.jpg

So there will be much rubber stamping done at Tuesday's public
meeting. The cost of the program is expected to be up to $700,000 and
there were 150,000 launch permits issued in the county last year. The
county and the water district were fighting over who would take
financial responsibility. Doesn't sound like too much of a risk to me.

I still think I'll attend the meeting and ask how they arrived at the
$7.00 figure. I'll also ask if it is open-ended. I'm sure the plan is
to inspect indefinitely, but if no mussels are found in the lake or
during inspections for a year or more, why continue inspections? I'll
also ask if a one time yearly inspection fee is possible. I have a
annual pass for my boat and tow rig for the county. It would be nice
to have the same for the inspections. I doubt they'll go for this as
the inspections are done by an outside company, but it can't hurt to
ask.

-mike

Mike,
The problem is that the mussels can live for DAYS out of the water.
The theory on how they got to Lake Mead is that they were attached to
a boat and/or trailer that was previously in the Great Lakes region
and hitched a ride to the SouthWest US.

About 4 years ago, a Park Ranger noticed mussels attached to the hull
of a boat that was about to be launched at one of Mead's marinas and
he stopped the launch...The mussels were still viable. The only
problem is that unbeknownst to the Ranger, the mussels had already
established themselves in Mead. The "good" news is that the Zebra is
just a minor inconvenience when compared to its cousin, the Quagga
Mussel...which too, is in Mead. The Quagga reproduces at a greater
rate and is capable of living in much deeper water

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On May 10, 4:46*am, wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 9, 9:33*am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), phishrace

wrote:
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike

The Lower Colorado River also has its problems -http://www.lvrj.com/news/18796214.html

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Take your political bull**** somewhere else.

What political pull**** are you talking about Poogy Licker? *Quagga
mussels are now political? *I wonder what party?

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This:
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Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"-

Thats not political thats PATRIOTIC!

On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:05:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On May 10, 4:46*am, wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 9, 9:33*am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), phishrace

wrote:
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike

The Lower Colorado River also has its problems -http://www.lvrj.com/news/18796214.html

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Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"- Hide quoted text -

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Take your political bull**** somewhere else.

What political pull**** are you talking about Poogy Licker? *Quagga
mussels are now political? *I wonder what party?

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This:
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"-

Loogy, did you fail "Comprehension 101"? That sig is
ANTI-political...Anti-Political Correctness to be exact.
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On May 13, 3:13*am, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 08:05:19 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 10, 4:46*am, wrote:
On Fri, 9 May 2008 07:27:51 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On May 9, 9:33*am, wrote:
On Thu, 8 May 2008 10:29:28 -0700 (PDT), phishrace

wrote:
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike

The Lower Colorado River also has its problems -http://www.lvrj.com/news/18796214.html

--
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Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Take your political bull**** somewhere else.

What political pull**** are you talking about Poogy Licker? *Quagga
mussels are now political? *I wonder what party?

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Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

This:
Calling an Illegal Alien an "Undocumented Worker" is like calling a
Crack Dealer an "Unlicensed Pharmacist"-

Loogy, did you fail "Comprehension 101"? *That sig is
ANTI-political...Anti-Political Correctness to be exact.
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Yeah, sure.

On Tue, 13 May 2008 00:13:09 -0700, wrote:

Loogy, did you fail "Comprehension 101"? That sig is
ANTI-political...Anti-Political Correctness to be exact.

Political correctness is the belief that you can pick up a turd by the
clean end.

Casady

I don't know if you saw it yet Mike, but the SCVWD has just banned all
boating in the Santa Clara County resevoirs until they can put an inspection
plan in place. It's supposed to be close to 100 degrees here on Thursday,
and I had planned to play hookie and hang out at Anderson. This sucks. I
don't care what kind of inspections they have, it seems inevitable that the
friggin' mussels will find there way in eventually. They ought to be
spending money to figure out how to get rid of them.

--Mike

"phishrace" wrote in message
...
Our local water district is finally getting around to addressing
mussels even though they were discovered months ago in a nearby
reservoir (San Justo in No Cal, which was closed almost immediately).
One of the options under consideration is to completely shut down all
boating. I have purchased season passes for my boat for years in this
county and I'm not about to let them shut everything down. We already
went through this with MTBE.

Just curious as to what others are seeing. Inspections I can live
with. I keep my boat clean and dry. I might even being willing to pay
a small one time fee for the privilege. Are you guys seeing anything
you would consider both reasonable and worthwhile? There a meeting
Tuesday and it's open to the public. I plan on attending and can use
all the help I can get. Thanks.

-mike