A weird dilemma for Obama...

On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 17:39:11 -0700 (PDT), riverman
wrote:

On Jun 3, 5:22*am, wrote:

IAC, a whole lot of Yankees aren't all that bright, anyway...



No argument from me on that one. And it extends both south and west.
And to the right and left.

But as far as the apostate thing; it seems to have a high degree of
swiftboating in it. And as for the rest of Islam, there is already a
precedent with a supposedly apostate leader (who even denounced Islam
after he was an adult), and there were no problems with his
denoucement of Islam.

From http://www.danielpipes.org/article/5286

"But would Muslims seeing Obama as a murtadd significantly affect an
Obama presidency? The only precedent to judge by is that of Carlos
Saúl Menem, the president of Argentina from 1989 to 1999. The son of
two Muslim Syrian immigrants and husband of another Syrian-Argentine,
Zulema Fátima Yoma, Menem converted to Roman Catholicism. His wife
said publicly that Menem left Islam for political reasons—because
Argentinean law until 1994 required the president of the country to be
a member of the Church. From a Muslim point of view, Menem's
conversion is worse than Obama's, having been done as an adult.
Nonetheless, Menem was not threatened or otherwise made to pay a price
for his change of religion, even during his trips to majority-Muslim
countries, Syria in particular."

Er, OK...are you suggesting Obama's "conversion" to Christianity was
just a bunch of politically-motivated bull**** and that he intends to
lean toward Muslim/Arab interests, be anti-Semitic, and be generally
corrupt...?

IAC, Menem was a pal of Bush 41 and we all know that the Bushes and the
Saudi royal family are in total cahoots on everything from oil to
apostasy...IOW, Menem didn't really "convert" - they got some ex-Nazis
in on it and the Pope was in on it, too...he's a Freemason Bones and
Skuller. Anyways, for those in the inner circle, "religion" doesn't
really matter, anyway...

Are you serious? The guy who was president of Argentina in the 80s?
What's next - the Grand Duke of Luxembourg is Hindu...?

Oh, and whoever wrote the quote above might have been served by doing a
little research into the whole matter...


Again, I'm not stating uncategorically that whether or not Obama is an
apostate, or whether or not that will be something to address is a non-
issue, but I'm quite comfortable that it IS a non-issue. And until I
hear even the slightest breath about it from the mouth of an actual
Muslim leader, I'm going to assume its just hypothetical mutterings
from a segment of American society with a ulterior motives.

What segment would that be and what do you imagine those "ulterior
motives" to be?

TC,
R

--riverman

On Jun 4, 7:46*pm, wrote:

Er, OK...are you suggesting Obama's "conversion" to Christianity was
just a bunch of politically-motivated bull**** and that he intends to
lean toward Muslim/Arab interests, be anti-Semitic, and be generally
corrupt...? *


No, of course not. I'm looking for any precedent for a national leader
who is at least as clearly definable as 'apostate' as Obama, and
seeing what the reaction to him was. As it looks, I cannot find anyone
of very high profile, but Menem is, at least, a much more of a clear-
cut case, and in a worse way. And the reaction to his being Apostate
was minimal, so it makes me think that there isn't much (if any)
evidence that Obama's alleged apostacy will be much of an issue. Or,
at least that it will precipitate any new problems among those who
don't already have problems dealing with the US.

In the absence of any more relevant precedent, I'm going to assume
that its a non-issue. Do you have any reason to think that is WILL be
an issue? Or do you want to move on to accusing Obama of Masticating
at the table, being a shameless Extrovert, Emulating older kids, being
a public Thesbian, a flagrant Heterosexual, having relatives with
Degenerate Diseases, subscribing to Phonographic Magazines and being
seen Discoursing with Prosyletes on church grounds?

--riverman

In the absence of any more relevant precedent, I'm going to assume
that its a non-issue. Do you have any reason to think that is WILL be
an issue? Or do you want to move on to accusing Obama of Masticating
at the table, being a shameless Extrovert, Emulating older kids, being
a public Thesbian, a flagrant Heterosexual, having relatives with
Degenerate Diseases, subscribing to Phonographic Magazines and being
seen Discoursing with Prosyletes on church grounds?

I've heard he has ascribed to penal corrections in public.
Frank Reid

On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid
wrote:

In the absence of any more relevant precedent, I'm going to assume
that its a non-issue. Do you have any reason to think that is WILL be
an issue? Or do you want to move on to accusing Obama of Masticating
at the table, being a shameless Extrovert, Emulating older kids, being
a public Thesbian, a flagrant Heterosexual, having relatives with
Degenerate Diseases, subscribing to Phonographic Magazines and being
seen Discoursing with Prosyletes on church grounds?

I've heard he has ascribed to penal corrections in public.

Plus, he has been to Nebraska...IN PUBLIC!!

HTH,
R
....OTOH, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't know how to hook your pintle...but
I'm also pretty sure he'll get wrapped around an axle or two before it's
over...

Frank Reid

On Jun 5, 4:22*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jun 2008 09:05:30 -0700 (PDT), Frank Reid

wrote:
In the absence of any more relevant precedent, I'm going to assume
that its a non-issue. Do you have any reason to think that is WILL be
an issue? Or do you want to move on to accusing Obama of Masticating
at the table, being a shameless Extrovert, Emulating older kids, being
a public Thesbian, a flagrant Heterosexual, having relatives with
Degenerate Diseases, subscribing to Phonographic Magazines and being
seen Discoursing with Prosyletes on church grounds?

I've heard he has ascribed to penal corrections in public.

Plus, he has been to Nebraska...IN PUBLIC!!

HTH,
R
...OTOH, I'm pretty sure he wouldn't know how to hook your pintle...but
I'm also pretty sure he'll get wrapped around an axle or two before it's
over...

Well, he can go to Walter Reed if he ever gets a blister.
Frank Reid