Second hand store bamboo rods

On 25-Aug-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Is genius something that can be taught?.....something that can be
learned?.....or does one just wake up some fine morning and find that it
has
manifested itself in the dark night, unlooked for and unwelcome, and then
spend the rest of his life monstrously burdened by it?

Wolfgang




What a pompous ass
I am sure that his peers as a child use to beat his head in.

Poor little Wolfgang w the stupid name and w a small peenie
Poor wolfie as he would run to his mama cause all his friends as a kid
would make fun of him and beat him up

What a ****ed up jerk!

Fred

"Fred" wrote in message
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On 25-Aug-2008, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Is genius something that can be taught?.....something that can be
learned?.....or does one just wake up some fine morning and find that it
has
manifested itself in the dark night, unlooked for and unwelcome, and then
spend the rest of his life monstrously burdened by it?

Wolfgang




What a pompous ass
I am sure that his peers as a child use to beat his head in.

Poor little Wolfgang w the stupid name and w a small peenie
Poor wolfie as he would run to his mama cause all his friends as a kid
would make fun of him and beat him up

What a ****ed up jerk!

O.k., so it can be taught and it can be learned.

Well, the matter of succession has always weighed heavy on the heads that
wear the crowns. How comforting it must be to the kennies, mikie, the
davies, stevie, the predator......and dicklet......that the heir apparent is
on the scene and ready, when circumstances shall dictate, to ascend the
throne.

Wolfgang
who, if he had only known at the time what a horror his childhood was, would
have skipped it altogether.

On Aug 26, 6:11*pm, "Wolfgang" wrote:

Wolfgang
who, if he had only known at the time what a horror his childhood was, would
have skipped it altogether.

Indeed, probably comes from showing one too many your "peenie".

As for genius, regardless of how or why it may occur, it is most
unlikely that you will find it among this particular motley crew of
socially dysfunctional misfits.

Never mind, at least I don´t think your name is funny. Just imagine
the problems you might have had if you had been called Ibrahim, or
Hussein, or Ali.

On the other hand, you might then have been nominated for president of
something or other. Wouldn´t stop the infidel dogs howling
incoherently at you, but you could at least laugh at them with some
conviction?

Tending to the theory that a certain facility with a language, either
your own or someone else´s, indicates at least a modicum of
intelligence, one is then bound to wonder why somebody who obviously
possesses such would bother even attempting to communicate in any
meaningful way with those who obviously do not.

With regard to the original question about bamboo rods. You might be
lucky and find a rod in a second hand shop rod which will be OK to
fish with, and you might even be incredibly lucky and find a very good
one, but this is most unlikely.

You can buy pretty good bamboo fishing rods and blanks for not too
much money;

http://www.norman-agutters.com/blanks.htm

this is an English supplier, but there are doubtless similar suppliers
in the USA. Custom built hand made blanks from well known makers will
be a lot more expensive usually. Although only real classics of
certain types and from certain makers are worth a lot of money to
various people.

Buying practically anything you don´t know much about form a second
hand store or similar, is always a game of chance. You might be lucky,
you might not.

If you want a good reliable fishing rod, then it is probably best to
avoid such. If you just want to play around with a bamboo rod, and it
doesn´t cost much, then it might be worth your while. Unfortunately,
you are the only one who can determine that. It is as well to remember
that even if you get the rod, you still have to find line to use on
it, and you have no idea how it will behave when fishing.

Some bamboo rods will be brittle with age or due to incorrect storage,
the strips may be separating, some sections may be bent or otherwise
damaged. All problems which are not easy to fix, and almost certainly
not worth the bother in the first place on cheap rods.

As others have pointed out, if you like it, and it looks alright, then
your only real option apart form just forgetting it, is to buy it and
fish it, all you have to lose is the cost of the rod.

On Aug 26, 1:08*pm, wrote:


but this is most unlikely.


In 1996 I picked up a Garrison rod and in 2007 picked up an original
Edwards Quadrate, both at second hand stores. Ya just got to know what
you're looking for.

On Aug 26, 7:33*pm, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Aug 26, 1:08*pm, wrote:



but this is most unlikely.

In 1996 I picked up a Garrison rod and in 2007 picked up an original
Edwards Quadrate, both at second hand stores. Ya just got to know what
you're looking for.

Oh, there is no doubt that it is possible, merely unlikely. Also, if
you have to ask on this group, and run the usual crazy gauntlet of
clever ****es who ridicule you and your question immediately, then it
is most unlikely that you "know what you´re looking for".

Any reasonable person would simply assume that the guy just doesn´t
know anything at all about bamboo rods, and give him as much
information as possible on the matter.

It is many years now since I fished with bamboo rods, I never did like
them much, although this has as much to do with the fact that I could
never afford ( actually "justify" would be more accurate), a really
good one as anything else. In the meantime I have used, or at least
cast a fair number, mostly belonging to friends etc, and there are
some very very nice rods around. Indeed I recently cast a beautiful
Brunner rod, but it is in my opinion only suitable for short range dry-
fly fishing, and at about 10,000 Euros, ridiculously expensive. I even
built a couple of cane rods once, but they were awful, so I gave them
away. One lad I know still fishes with one he got from me.

To me a fishing rod is just a fishing rod, and I tend to go for what I
think is the best suited to any particular task.Bamboo rods are simply
not suitable for many of the techniques I use, and even if I had the
money to waste, I wouldn´t buy one anyway.

Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.

On Aug 26, 11:47 am, wrote:

Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.

So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up
there. I had my 3forks 3wt with me but the skies were growing ominous
so it was going to just be a lunch break and then head out. A few
minutes later a couple of guys ride in on horses, tie up and start
stringing their rods. One of them had seen my rod on the back of my
saddle and politely came over and asked which way I'd be fishing. I
told him I wouldn't be, but noticed he was carrying a very fine bamboo
fly rod. To understand how out of place it looked, he was kinda
scruffy in cutoffs and holey canvas sneakers, and normally a person
who rides up on horseback is going to have a 10-year-old spinning rod
at best, with equally old 10lb line, and will either collect some
worms or use powerbait. We chatted a bit, he had lived in the area all
his life and said his family had been there more than 400 years.
Always interesting the characters you meet in various places.

Not that this has anything to do with secondhand stores or anything
else in this thread.

Jon.
PS: I agree that, despite Wayne's once-a-decade find, a rod in a
secondhand store is 98% likely to be junk. I've seen a few, anyways.
(margin of error: +/- 37.2%)

On Aug 26, 11:30*pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 11:47 am, wrote:

Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.

So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up
there. I had my 3forks 3wt with me but the skies were growing ominous
so it was going to just be a lunch break and then head out. A few
minutes later a couple of guys ride in on horses, tie up and start
stringing their rods. One of them had seen my rod on the back of my
saddle and politely came over and asked which way I'd be fishing. I
told him I wouldn't be, but noticed he was carrying a very fine bamboo
fly rod. To understand how out of place it looked, he was kinda
scruffy in cutoffs and holey canvas sneakers, and normally a person
who rides up on horseback is going to have a 10-year-old spinning rod
at best, with equally old 10lb line, and will either collect some
worms or use powerbait. We chatted a bit, he had lived in the area all
his life and said his family had been there more than 400 years.
Always interesting the characters you meet in various places.

Not that this has anything to do with secondhand stores or anything
else in this thread.

Jon.
PS: I agree that, despite Wayne's once-a-decade find, a rod in a
secondhand store is 98% likely to be junk. I've seen a few, anyways.
(margin of error: +/- 37.2%)

An interesting point actually. A couple of weeks ago I had a visit
from a chap who was going to spend a few weeks in Norway salmon
fishing. He wanted me to copy a few flies he had bought elsewhere for
a lot of money, ( 40 euros and upwards per fly for relatively simple
tube flies).

I told him I couldn´t do that, but I could show him how to do it
himself. He came around a few nights and eventually dressed a few
fleis he was satisfied with.

While sitting and discussing various things over a "parting glass",
shortly before he was due to leave, I asked him why he had bought such
extremely expensive flies in the first place. He sat and thought
about it for a while, and then he said. "Well, there must be some
reason they are so expensive, maybe special material or something, and
I just feel I have a better chance of a fish with them. The whole
thing is so expensive [the fishing holiday itself], and I don´t want
to risk a failure by not having the right flies. Compared to the cost
of everything else, even though they are very expensive, they are only
actually a small part of the outlay".

When he came back, he showed me the two salmon he had caught, one
about 6 lbs, and one of just over 8. He had caught them both on the
flies he had dressed himslef, after losing a few expensive ones, and
not wanting to lose any more on a bushy stretch, he had used his own
flies "as it would not be such a tragedy to hang them in a tree".
Those were the only fish he got in three weeks of intensive fishing.

The moral? Hell who knows?

On 26-Aug-2008, wrote:

So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up

Jon

I have horses and we are considering buying 2 small mules
I would like to ask you some questions about their teperament if it is OK by
you
Are they good pack animals as good or better than horses and do they have
any problems w horses?
We do have room for them in the barn and pastures

Fred

wrote:
On Aug 26, 11:47 am, wrote:


Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.


So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up
there. I had my 3forks 3wt with me but the skies were growing ominous
so it was going to just be a lunch break and then head out. A few
minutes later a couple of guys ride in on horses, tie up and start
stringing their rods. One of them had seen my rod on the back of my
saddle and politely came over and asked which way I'd be fishing. I
told him I wouldn't be, but noticed he was carrying a very fine bamboo
fly rod. To understand how out of place it looked, he was kinda
scruffy in cutoffs and holey canvas sneakers, and normally a person
who rides up on horseback is going to have a 10-year-old spinning rod
at best, with equally old 10lb line, and will either collect some
worms or use powerbait.

While we're dealing in stereotypes, someone with a mule is typically
carrying a KPOS. :-)

--
Cut "to the chase" for my email address.

On Aug 26, 2:30*pm, wrote:
SNIP
Neat Jon, I agree about the "Always interesting. . . " business. I
feel lucky these days when I catch a wave of the West lapping against
the relentless sameness of now-in-the-day. Its out there, and it is
threatened, but the West wasn't dead when I first saw it in "62 from a
VW, and still hangs on across vast stretches today.

Could be that the last prospector or desert rancher will be found by
the anthropologists in 2086, somewhere near the old Wendover Bombing
Range, working on the fuel pump of an ancient Dodge Powerwagon. Or
maybe there is something about the mountains, the big sky, the light
or whatever that encourages Western character and characters to ripen
and replenish. Who knows..

Dave