Second hand store bamboo rods

On Aug 26, 7:33*pm, Wayne Knight wrote:
On Aug 26, 1:08*pm, wrote:



but this is most unlikely.

In 1996 I picked up a Garrison rod and in 2007 picked up an original
Edwards Quadrate, both at second hand stores. Ya just got to know what
you're looking for.

Oh, there is no doubt that it is possible, merely unlikely. Also, if
you have to ask on this group, and run the usual crazy gauntlet of
clever ****es who ridicule you and your question immediately, then it
is most unlikely that you "know what you´re looking for".

Any reasonable person would simply assume that the guy just doesn´t
know anything at all about bamboo rods, and give him as much
information as possible on the matter.

It is many years now since I fished with bamboo rods, I never did like
them much, although this has as much to do with the fact that I could
never afford ( actually "justify" would be more accurate), a really
good one as anything else. In the meantime I have used, or at least
cast a fair number, mostly belonging to friends etc, and there are
some very very nice rods around. Indeed I recently cast a beautiful
Brunner rod, but it is in my opinion only suitable for short range dry-
fly fishing, and at about 10,000 Euros, ridiculously expensive. I even
built a couple of cane rods once, but they were awful, so I gave them
away. One lad I know still fishes with one he got from me.

To me a fishing rod is just a fishing rod, and I tend to go for what I
think is the best suited to any particular task.Bamboo rods are simply
not suitable for many of the techniques I use, and even if I had the
money to waste, I wouldn´t buy one anyway.

Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.

On Aug 26, 11:47 am, wrote:

Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.

So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up
there. I had my 3forks 3wt with me but the skies were growing ominous
so it was going to just be a lunch break and then head out. A few
minutes later a couple of guys ride in on horses, tie up and start
stringing their rods. One of them had seen my rod on the back of my
saddle and politely came over and asked which way I'd be fishing. I
told him I wouldn't be, but noticed he was carrying a very fine bamboo
fly rod. To understand how out of place it looked, he was kinda
scruffy in cutoffs and holey canvas sneakers, and normally a person
who rides up on horseback is going to have a 10-year-old spinning rod
at best, with equally old 10lb line, and will either collect some
worms or use powerbait. We chatted a bit, he had lived in the area all
his life and said his family had been there more than 400 years.
Always interesting the characters you meet in various places.

Not that this has anything to do with secondhand stores or anything
else in this thread.

Jon.
PS: I agree that, despite Wayne's once-a-decade find, a rod in a
secondhand store is 98% likely to be junk. I've seen a few, anyways.
(margin of error: +/- 37.2%)

On Aug 26, 11:30*pm, wrote:
On Aug 26, 11:47 am, wrote:

Of course there are lots of people who love cane rods, and everything
associated with them. That too is just fine with me. Each to his own.

So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up
there. I had my 3forks 3wt with me but the skies were growing ominous
so it was going to just be a lunch break and then head out. A few
minutes later a couple of guys ride in on horses, tie up and start
stringing their rods. One of them had seen my rod on the back of my
saddle and politely came over and asked which way I'd be fishing. I
told him I wouldn't be, but noticed he was carrying a very fine bamboo
fly rod. To understand how out of place it looked, he was kinda
scruffy in cutoffs and holey canvas sneakers, and normally a person
who rides up on horseback is going to have a 10-year-old spinning rod
at best, with equally old 10lb line, and will either collect some
worms or use powerbait. We chatted a bit, he had lived in the area all
his life and said his family had been there more than 400 years.
Always interesting the characters you meet in various places.

Not that this has anything to do with secondhand stores or anything
else in this thread.

Jon.
PS: I agree that, despite Wayne's once-a-decade find, a rod in a
secondhand store is 98% likely to be junk. I've seen a few, anyways.
(margin of error: +/- 37.2%)

An interesting point actually. A couple of weeks ago I had a visit
from a chap who was going to spend a few weeks in Norway salmon
fishing. He wanted me to copy a few flies he had bought elsewhere for
a lot of money, ( 40 euros and upwards per fly for relatively simple
tube flies).

I told him I couldn´t do that, but I could show him how to do it
himself. He came around a few nights and eventually dressed a few
fleis he was satisfied with.

While sitting and discussing various things over a "parting glass",
shortly before he was due to leave, I asked him why he had bought such
extremely expensive flies in the first place. He sat and thought
about it for a while, and then he said. "Well, there must be some
reason they are so expensive, maybe special material or something, and
I just feel I have a better chance of a fish with them. The whole
thing is so expensive [the fishing holiday itself], and I don´t want
to risk a failure by not having the right flies. Compared to the cost
of everything else, even though they are very expensive, they are only
actually a small part of the outlay".

When he came back, he showed me the two salmon he had caught, one
about 6 lbs, and one of just over 8. He had caught them both on the
flies he had dressed himslef, after losing a few expensive ones, and
not wanting to lose any more on a bushy stretch, he had used his own
flies "as it would not be such a tragedy to hang them in a tree".
Those were the only fish he got in three weeks of intensive fishing.

The moral? Hell who knows?

On 26-Aug-2008, wrote:

So one day this past July I had tied my mule up a few miles back in
the Pecos Wilderness, along a beautiful meadow section of a stream up

Jon

I have horses and we are considering buying 2 small mules
I would like to ask you some questions about their teperament if it is OK by
you
Are they good pack animals as good or better than horses and do they have
any problems w horses?
We do have room for them in the barn and pastures

Fred

On Aug 27, 12:03*am, "Fred" wrote:

I have horses and we are considering buying 2 small mules
I would like to ask you some questions about their teperament if it is OK by
you
Are they good pack animals as good or better than horses and do they have
any problems w horses?
We do have room for them in the barn and pastures

Fred

They don´t have many problems with horses Fred, or they wouldn´t even
exist!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mule

Don´t bend it more than ninety degrees when you are trying it out!

On Aug 26, 4:03 pm, "Fred" wrote:

I have horses and we are considering buying 2 small mules
I would like to ask you some questions about their teperament if it is OK by
you
Are they good pack animals as good or better than horses and do they have
any problems w horses?
We do have room for them in the barn and pastures

Fred, it'd take a novel to answer all that and besides I'm not expert
enough to do so anyways.

But, there are horse people and there are mule people and they are
different! You probably won't know until you try but if you find
you're a horse person then you won't like mules (though you may learn
to tolerate them).

Mule people are friendlier and smarter ;-)

Mules are better at everything than horses are, except perhaps
unquestioningly doing everything you demand them to do, no matter how
dangerous or stupid. They are always thinking and always have their
own opinion as to what should be done. This makes them safer, more
sure-footed, and less likely to cause a complete wreck; but it also
makes them "stubborn", though that's only the word that horse people
use to describe them ;-)

Mules typically respect horses (they were raised by one, after all),
but there are horses that can seriously dislike mules (and donkeys). I
know because I have one, though she's starting to come around.

Of course, there are bad mules just like there are bad horses (and bad
people). Unfortunately people rarely sell their good mules, so you've
got to really stumble into the right situation to buy some prime-aged
good mules, or buy young and raise your own, or spend alot of money.

Jon.

On Tue, 26 Aug 2008 15:29:26 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 26, 4:03 pm, "Fred" wrote:

Mules are better at everything than horses are, except perhaps
unquestioningly doing everything you demand them to do, no matter how
dangerous or stupid.
snip
Jon.

Horses beat mules, hands down, when it comes to a sprint. Long
distance, however, the mule will win the race. :-)

On Aug 27, 5:46 am, Charlie S. w5cds (at) arrl (dot) net wrote:

Horses beat mules, hands down, when it comes to a sprint.

Most riders would have a wild-eyed look of terror if indeed their
horse was sprinting underneath them ;-)

A couple of OT anecdotes. Mules are generally not very good at
radically new things. They've got to assess the situation, they won't
usually just trust that you know what you're talking about. So it was
with wilderness trail bridges and my mule. Last year was the first
time he saw one. Amazingly, he went across right away, but he didn't
like that hollow sound, and later on the return trip it took me an
hour and a half to coax him back across. That year he did do one other
set of there and back bridge crossings, not too badly. This year, our
first bridge took about 10 minutes to coax him across; then I made him
go back and forth four more times. The next day, another bridge on
another trail, just 20 seconds of hesitation, and again I took him
back and forth four more times (these are all me leading him across,
not riding). After that, easy riding across bridges the rest of the
days up there. Next thing to work in are those mountain meadow bogs.
He doesn't see much mud down here.

Jon.

God info - thanks
I would pack them and ride my horse(s) into the Bob Marshall Wilderness not
too far
My horses are well trained and well behavesd - for the most part
So i would like another animal a pack mule

Re another post about carrying fly rods.
I carry my fly rods in a metal tube or plastic tube in my saddle bag - so
that I can utilize my best rods

Fred

On Wed, 27 Aug 2008 10:40:01 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Aug 27, 5:46 am, Charlie S. w5cds (at) arrl (dot) net wrote:

Horses beat mules, hands down, when it comes to a sprint.

Most riders would have a wild-eyed look of terror if indeed their
horse was sprinting underneath them ;-)

A couple of OT anecdotes. Mules are generally not very good at
radically new things. They've got to assess the situation, they won't
usually just trust that you know what you're talking about. So it was
with wilderness trail bridges and my mule. Last year was the first
time he saw one. Amazingly, he went across right away, but he didn't
like that hollow sound, and later on the return trip it took me an
hour and a half to coax him back across. That year he did do one other
set of there and back bridge crossings, not too badly. This year, our
first bridge took about 10 minutes to coax him across; then I made him
go back and forth four more times. The next day, another bridge on
another trail, just 20 seconds of hesitation, and again I took him
back and forth four more times (these are all me leading him across,
not riding). After that, easy riding across bridges the rest of the
days up there. Next thing to work in are those mountain meadow bogs.
He doesn't see much mud down here.

Jon.

Yeah, Jon, mules are NOT known for their sense of adventure. :-D