Live by the speech, die by the speech...

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:11:49 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

Um, why is it so mind-boggling that a black man would not only be
nominated, but elected as POTUS? It's historic, but hardly
"mind-boggling." Hell, had he have wanted to run, Powell would have
almost certainly been nominated by the GOP and may well have won, and
that was before Obama had even gotten elected to anything.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

You're a little older than me...perhaps that's why I have little doubt
that not only can a black man, but black men, white women, black women,
Hispanic men and women, Asian men and women, etc., be nominated, and
some will win, over the course of US history. And some will be
excellent Presidents, some will be lousy, and some will just be largely
forgotten by the bulk of the population. I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

An Obama-supporting friend made what I think is a particularly good,
"working-man" comment about it - "he sounded like a guy who just won a
train that he isn't sure how to drive..."

TC,
R

On Aug 29, 12:29*pm, wrote:

*I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

now, wait just a damn minute. i normally eschew participation in
these political ****ing contests, but when the honored name of chester
a. arthur is sullied, even by implication, the **** *will* hit the
fan.
you are talking about a brilliant, clever, immensely effective
champion of the poor, the unwashed, the little people--the salt of the
union. this is a man of whom franklin delano roosevelt once said, "if
chester arthur is for it, how can any be against it!" well, i *think*
it was fdr... maybe that was ulysses grant... anyway, just watch your
mouth about such a great man in the future.

yfitons
wayno(a closet whig, if the truth be known)

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 12:09:29 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Aug 29, 12:29*pm, wrote:

*I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

now, wait just a damn minute. i normally eschew participation in
these political ****ing contests, but when the honored name of chester
a. arthur is sullied, even by implication, the **** *will* hit the
fan.
you are talking about a brilliant, clever, immensely effective
champion of the poor, the unwashed, the little people--the salt of the
union. this is a man of whom franklin delano roosevelt once said, "if
chester arthur is for it, how can any be against it!" well, i *think*
it was fdr... maybe that was ulysses grant... anyway, just watch your
mouth about such a great man in the future.

Actually, it wasn't a dig. He was, by most accounts, exactly as you
say, personally honest and effective, often as much by knowing what not
to "fix" as what could actually benefit from a little tinkering, and
most importantly, being objective and realistic about the whole thing.
Even Twain/Clements liked him. And largely forgotten by history - when
is the last time anyone, of any party, running for so much as dog
catcher, suggested they would like to be remembered by a relative few
folks, but for the few that do as the Chester A. Arthur of their
generation? We're ass-deep in would-be Kennedys and re-Reagans. We got
wannabe-Roosevelts and Lincolns out the ying-yang, and even a
pseudo-Truman buck-stopper or two, but, alas, we're fresh the **** out
of Chester A. Arthurs...

yfitons
wayno(a closet whig, if the truth be known)

Um, "closet?" "Whig?" Oh, man, be careful - we got a Sergeant Snedeker
running around on the lookout for just that sort of degenerate
stuff...he'll be easy to spot - he'll be the guy who looks like an old
New York Doll in a Jackie Kennedy suit and tin-foil pillbox hat...

TC,
R
....and amazingly enough, he was even a lawyer...Arthur, I mean, not
Snedeker...

On Aug 29, 12:57*pm, wrote:

Richard
If I look like a NY doll to you, even an old NY doll, I suggest you
need to sober up on your way into the big apple next time. Here is a
clue: Look for the Adam's apple, BEFORE you put the money on the
dresser.

Your Jacki O fantasies continue to puzzle me but, hey, whatever floats
your honky tonk mind is your business, just so you leave me out of it.
Lets restrict ourselves to trashing each other's politics.

Second point: If I am not mistaken, a Whig at the time of the
Revolution was primarily identified with opposition to absolute
monarchy, and pro constitutional protections. Were not many of the
founding fathers Whigs? So why would I be particularly bothered by
someones Whiggish ideas?

Dave