Live by the speech, die by the speech...

"Tom Littleton" wrote in
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I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it
will be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can
(and probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come
right out and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song
"Only In America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will
be sad and ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I
think such is possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R

was that 'stunned' or 'stoned', RD? No less than Bill Kristol heard
that speech, shook his head and said," McCain has his work cut out for
him. What speech were you listening to?
Tom





Pat Buchanan was positively gushing


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Dave LaCourse wrote in
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Tom, I think RD is having fun with youse guys and you took the bait.
It was a great speech. Will it be enough? I don't know.

I'm going fishing.

Dave

Little faith, Dave. Soon after Obama wins, we'll all be walking on the
water instead of wading in it.

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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:31:23 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
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I'll admit it - I was stunned. If he loses, I can see Obama's
acceptance speech as being the source of his loss. And if so, it will
be a shame, because I do think he is better than his speech can (and
probably will) be made to make him look. He didn't even come right out
and invoke King - at the DNC, for God sake. Even the song "Only In
America" was a terrible choice for such a setting. It will be sad and
ironic if he was book-ended by speeches at the DNC, and I think such is
possible, if not likely.

Stunned,
R

was that 'stunned' or 'stoned', RD? No less than Bill Kristol heard that
speech, shook his head and said," McCain has his work cut out for him. What
speech were you listening to?
Tom

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0808/12964.html

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php...show_article=1

It has nothing to do with being for or against Obama, it was the speech
in context. There was enough stuff there to give Rove, Carville, et al,
plenty to work with to craft opposition. The length of Biden's
congressional career mirrors McCain's, and it seems kinda odd that a new
politics of the future guy would be just like Lincoln, Roosevelt, and
Kennedy. And how many working-class families have "rah-rah" videos from
supporters prominently featuring the supporter hisownself sailing on his
yacht around the family compound in Hyannisport? If McCain had shown
such a video featuring Bush I tooling around in his boat, golfing at the
R & A, etc., what would the reaction be? To tie yourself Roosevelt and
Kennedy to counter a charge of elitism? To hint that your Presidency
will be like that of Clinton's (but only in any, but non-specific, way
that anyone might think was good, but be nothing like it in any, but
non-specific way anyone might think bad)? No foreign oil in 10 years,
but he's gonna reward companies that create jobs right here "in America"
- is that South, Central, or North America? Seriously, though, the US
oil industry, the one that he wants to tax the bejeebers out of, creates
jobs and supports thousands and thousands of working-class families and
by definition, can only create (or maintain) jobs in the US.

Etc., etc., etc....

Even the closing song - if you don't know the lyrics, read them. Sure,
one of the kids could grow up to be President, but they could also be
the one going to prison - two choices, Prez or prison. And in the other
verse, the couple are riding in a limo wanting to be "stars" - not
helping, not changing, just wanting things for themselves. I'm
surprised they didn't play "Save A Horse..."...you know, to get the PETA
vote...here's a hint, Dems - don't use C & W songs at conventions.

I stand by what I said - this was not a good speech. You and Oprah's
mileage may vary...

TC,
R

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I stand by what I said - this was not a good speech. You and Oprah's
mileage may vary...

Only the most blind and rabid partisan could declare that
was not a good speech. You Republicans all repeat the same
mantra at every turn; "Saying McCain equals four more years
of Bush won't work". You guys say that all the time because
you desperately need for it to be true but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!

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Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 10:37:21 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
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I stand by what I said - this was not a good speech. You and Oprah's
mileage may vary...

Only the most blind and rabid partisan could declare that
was not a good speech.

You're wrong, plain and simple. I'd say that only a blind a rabid
partisan would wish to allow absolutely no criticism of not only the
speech, but the candidate in general. And that anyone who doesn't see
some pretty glaring weaknesses in Obama is not only blindly and rabidly
partisan, but not rational, as well.

You Republicans all repeat the same
mantra at every turn; "Saying McCain equals four more years
of Bush won't work". You guys say that all the time because
you desperately need for it to be true but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!

What makes you think I'm a Republican? IAC, as I've said, if it were
Bush's veep or _certain_ folks in his administration running, such a
charge could stick, but with McCain, it's not accurate and as such, it's
not a certain strategy. Plus, given the candidates' weaknesses and
strengths, it's too much of a "um, well, that's all we got..." strategy.

TC,
R

On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 23:11:49 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
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I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

Um, why is it so mind-boggling that a black man would not only be
nominated, but elected as POTUS? It's historic, but hardly
"mind-boggling." Hell, had he have wanted to run, Powell would have
almost certainly been nominated by the GOP and may well have won, and
that was before Obama had even gotten elected to anything.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

You're a little older than me...perhaps that's why I have little doubt
that not only can a black man, but black men, white women, black women,
Hispanic men and women, Asian men and women, etc., be nominated, and
some will win, over the course of US history. And some will be
excellent Presidents, some will be lousy, and some will just be largely
forgotten by the bulk of the population. I have no doubt that folks of
all races and colors can be another Chester A. Arthur...

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

An Obama-supporting friend made what I think is a particularly good,
"working-man" comment about it - "he sounded like a guy who just won a
train that he isn't sure how to drive..."

TC,
R

On Aug 29, 3:45*am, "Rick" wrote:
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You want embarrassing? How come you didn't mention anyone from that
recent vast company of Republican closeted shoe tappers, child
molesters, perverts, philanderers etc or wax eloquent with your
opinions as to just who in the White House was the main customer for
the male prostitute whose specialty was whipping with a gyrene theme.
Jeff Gannon, a $200 dollar an hour Gay prostitute had free access to
the White House with a signed Press Pass. I would think someone with
your high minded values would be interested in just who in the Bush
White House patronized this Jeff Gannon. Or maybe you approve?

Dave

Ken Fortenberry typed:
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. . . but I got news for
you, that's all Obama-Biden have to do between now and
November. Just like the instructions on the shampoo bottle:
McCain, Bush, repeat. LOL !!

Any bets on how they screw up your instructions? ;-)
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TL,
Tim
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Ken Fortenberry wrote:

wrote:
I'll admit it - I was stunned. ...

It must suck to be you.

If you can't find it in your mean, small, cynical,
it's all about me, me, me, mindset to appreciate
the mind-boggling historic import of the nomination
of the first black man to lead the ticket of a major
party then you're too far gone.

I was born in 1956 and I never in a thousand years
thought that I would see this day.

That was a great speech and only a blind fool partisan
cynic could believe otherwise.

We have already had black presidents. 5 have been documented, here are
2.

Andrew Jackson was our 7th president from 1829 to 1837. The Virginia
Magazine of History Volume 29 says that Jackson was the son of a White
woman from Ireland who had intermarried with a Negro. The magazine also
said that his eldest brother had been sold as a slave in Carolina. Joel
Rogers says that Andrew Jackson Sr. died long before President Andrew
Jackson Jr. was born. He says the president's mother then went to live
on the Crawford farm where there were Negro slaves and that one of these
men was Andrew Jr's father. Another account of the "brother sold into
slavery² story can be found in David Coyle's book entitled "Ordeal of
the Presidency"

Abraham Lincoln was our 16th president from 1861 to 1865. J. A. Rogers
quotes Lincoln's mother, Nancy Hanks, as saying that Abraham Lincoln was
the illegitimate son of an African man. William Herndon, Lincoln's law
partner, said that Lincoln had very dark skin and coarse hair and that
his mother was from an Ethiopian tribe. In Herndon's book entitled "The
Hidden Lincoln" he says that Thomas Lincoln could not have been Abraham
Lincoln's father because he was sterile from childhood mumps and was
later castrated. Lincoln's presidential opponents made cartoon
drawings depicting him as a Negro and nicknamed him ³Abraham Africanus
the First."

On 29 Aug 2008 12:21:23 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Little faith, Dave. Soon after Obama wins, we'll all be walking on the
water instead of wading in it.

What? You can't walk on water now?

Hell, maybe Richard will buy my GS3s. I won't need 'em.

Dave