Well, now...

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:56:15 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:


And this contrasts with Obama...how, again? And I'll ask again - have
you read his "Blueprint For Change?"

most of it...why? b.o. has offered details in a public document and in
his talks...i don't see the same from your guy.

my intended point about mccain concerned his promise to change that
which has been in control of his own republican cadre for 8 years, and
his assertion palin is somehow going to be his co-architect in the
change. ... he has no "blueprint for change"...hell, he doesn't even
have a notecard for change. he's become the conventional republican with
too many promises to fullfil to be a "maverick", if he ever was
such...plus, he'll really screw up constitutional and federal law.
stevens won't last another 4 years...

The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.

Here's a hint - he stands about as much a chance at it all as Bob Barr
and his running mate, his wife's cat, stand at being elected to
POTUS/Veep and Queen of England and Royal Consort on the same
day...hell, they'd have to repeal the 22nd Amendment and he'd have to
live to 849, reelected every time, to accomplish all of what the
Blueprint promises. And every elected official from Congress to the
Coonpecker, Alabama dog catcher would have to cede total and complete
authority to him, plus he'd need to be named sole authority of every
business from GE and Exxon/Mobil to little Johnny Smith's lemonade
stand, to boot. IOW, you'll be hearing Hail Britannia To The Chief,
President Queen Bob (R) and Prince Muffy before it all happens.


palin is the story so far...


Naturally, because she's the newest. She passed the first big test, but
how she handles the lead-up and the first duel with Biden will be when
the real story begins (or ends, as the case may be).


not sure it's the "newness"... but agree, i too think it's a dead heat
and will be decided by the knee-jerk vote. the only hope in nc is for a
large af-am turnout, because the bubba block is resolute.

See my reply to 'tripper the Rasmussen link and Palin passing Obama
AND McCain,

TC,
R

jeff

wrote in message
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critique of B Obama healthcare ideas, snipped

note the constant pounding of ads, regarding healthcare for all?? This is
the start of something, perhaps as significant as the POTUS election, and it
is just starting.
There is going to be, over the next 2-4 years, a masssive push for Universal
Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it, I would guess that by the next Presidential Election, it will
either be at the doorstep or be THE national issue.
Tom

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:21:04 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .


critique of B Obama healthcare ideas, snipped

note the constant pounding of ads, regarding healthcare for all?? This is
the start of something, perhaps as significant as the POTUS election, and it
is just starting.
There is going to be, over the next 2-4 years, a masssive push for Universal
Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it, I would guess that by the next Presidential Election, it will
either be at the doorstep or be THE national issue.
Tom


It wasn't meant to be a critique of his health care ideas specifically,
but rather, the whole long list of promises without real details. A
quick glance at Blueprint shows about 500 or so "Obama will..."
statements such as:

"Cut Pork Barrel Spending
Obama will cut skyrocketing pork barrel spending projects by forcing
more transparency about who is requesting projects and what the projects
would accomplish before Congress votes to approve them.

Cut Down on Tax Haven and Tax Shelter Abuse
Obama will build on his bipartisan work to penalize companies that abuse
the tax code and stop the use of tax havens."

And how will he do it, exactly - you know, the facts and figures, the
who, what, when, and why:

"Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan
legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for
special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot
withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks
to no greater than what they were in 2001 and ensure all spending
decisions are open to the public."

and

"End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate,
Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the
abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350
billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.

Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing
field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and
deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry."

Um...OK. Overhaul the IRS, control Congress, and tax big oil...yeah,
there's some promises and ideas no one has heard before...and the
check's in the mail...

TC,
R

On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

cheers

oz, who made (mostly) good choices

On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:03 -0700 (PDT), MajorOz
wrote:

On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

Why do you hate America so much?

HTH,
R

cheers

oz, who made (mostly) good choices

On Sep 5, 6:51*pm, wrote:
On Fri, 5 Sep 2008 16:42:03 -0700 (PDT), MajorOz



wrote:
On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. *Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

Why do you hate America so much?

....huh...?

You must be from out of town. I yield to no one in my love for
America.

I don't like to see it destroyed by the "gimmie, gimmie" crowd, and
those who pander to them for votes.

cheers

oz, who gives much by choice, but only under threat of imprisonment by
demand

MajorOz wrote:
On Sep 5, 6:51 pm, wrote:
Why do you hate America so much?

...huh...?

You must be from out of town.

Yeah, HE must be from out of town.

I yield to no one in my love for America.

Nor in your love for a vacuous cliché.

I don't like to see it destroyed by the "gimmie, gimmie" crowd, and
those who pander to them for votes.

cheers

oz, who gives much by choice, but only under threat of imprisonment by
demand

ZZZZZZ

wrote:


The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.


so...there should be no ideas, no blueprints, and no effort, eh? well,
i agree mccain's the man for that.

i think obama's at least started the process in a substantive way. what
has mccain done? i'll take the guy with ideas and blueprints, and hope
he can get some of it done, instead of settling for the same ****
wrapped in an old man's skin. i do believe there are some of the larger
issues - health care, education, middle class tax relief, energy
independence, rebuilding foreign relations and diplomacy - that he will
focus on and make real progress with. by the way...where have all the
iraq $$billions we've spent come from??

jeff

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 19:12:43 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

wrote:


The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.


so...there should be no ideas, no blueprints, and no effort, eh? well,
i agree mccain's the man for that.

i think obama's at least started the process in a substantive way. what
has mccain done? i'll take the guy with ideas and blueprints, and hope
he can get some of it done, instead of settling for the same ****
wrapped in an old man's skin. i do believe there are some of the larger
issues - health care, education, middle class tax relief, energy
independence, rebuilding foreign relations and diplomacy - that he will
focus on and make real progress with. by the way...where have all the
iraq $$billions we've spent come from??

jeff

RDean will get you a new mansion, free of charge. Here's the plan and a
blueprint:

Plan: Go into Home Depot and take all the money. If anyone tries to
stop you, explain that it is part of the plan for change. Then go over
to Lowe's and buy all the materials you need.

Blueprint: Nail boards together, making sure plumbing, electrical, and
other systems are done properly. Roof house. Insulate house. Install
doors and windows. Finish out as desired. Move in.

There ya go. With those detailed instructions, you ought to be moved in
by tomorrow, no problem. If you run into problems or unforeseen
circumstances, see plan and blueprint because they cover everything.

You're welcome. Please send me a campaign contribution.

HTH,
R
....and for a modest sum, I'll even rent you a hammer...