Well, now...

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:23:41 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:

wrote:
On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:19:42 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


wrote:

OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)


You pet your puppy with those fingers...? For shame, for shame.

And if you missed McCain, too, here's the scoop:

Better than fair, not objectively great, but it got the yahoos cheering
their asses off. And yet again, the Dems are gonna have to figure out a
way around it - it had the USA!!! mom and guys in decorated VFW caps
swooning over sonny boy, and Dem rebuttals blasting mom and the VFW is
one surefire way to lose. I'd give it, surprisingly, a 85-90 on content
and about a 70-75 or so on delivery, but it was a rah-rah, so it could
break _seriously_ one way or the other. Impressive moments in a so-so
speech, but it had elements that may or may not click. If they click,
he hit a respectable homer, if not, at worst, he was so-so, so overall,
worst-case, break-even.

TC,
R

the most remarkable and noticable thing for me with regard to the entire
republican convention was the patent caucasian hue on the convention
floor and balconies...

I know...it was almost like every group of "gets to stand behind Obama
in a picture" was put into one big space...

Seriously, though, you expected much differently? There were a few
black and brown faces in the crowd, but not many.

other than speaking openly about the details and effect of his time as a
pow, which i thought a bit fetching but compelling and effective, his
talk was basic republican gruel...

the pretense of change was laughable.

And this contrasts with Obama...how, again? And I'll ask again - have
you read his "Blueprint For Change?"

at least he didn't have that cryptkeeper grin that has plagued his
earlier speeches to his masses. i didn't hear any new ideas or policies
that will bring about change or reforms...did you?

Oh, there were some smatterings, but no, just like Palin, Obama, and
Biden, one couldn't cobble a "how to govern effectively" manual out of
his speech (or all 4 combined). Here's an interesting exercise for
those interested: print the transcripts of all 4 speeches and compare
them side-by-side (no, tab-flipping in a browser won't be as effective).

palin is the story so far...

Naturally, because she's the newest. She passed the first big test, but
how she handles the lead-up and the first duel with Biden will be when
the real story begins (or ends, as the case may be).

TC,
R

jeff

wrote:
On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 08:23:41 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:


wrote:

On Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:19:42 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:



wrote:


OK, do I post the obvious:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

or do I post the less-so:

She was back at the bar, showered, dressed, and halfway into drinks and
dinner when the ball finally hit the ground...after going straight over
the mound and somewhere WAY past the lights...

I didn't watch it, I was about 8 miles from the nearest road
canoe camping with my new pup, but from what I read today it
was a great speech for getting clueless white folks to stand
up and chant; USA, USA ! And little else save the usual GOP
lies and half truths denigrating the Dems.

She came off as a provincial rube with a perverse and willful
ignorance about the country she lives in. Mocking community
organizing on Chicago's south side ? What in the hell was her
speechwriter thinking ?

But I'm glad you enjoyed yourself.

USA, USA !! ;-)


You pet your puppy with those fingers...? For shame, for shame.

And if you missed McCain, too, here's the scoop:

Better than fair, not objectively great, but it got the yahoos cheering
their asses off. And yet again, the Dems are gonna have to figure out a
way around it - it had the USA!!! mom and guys in decorated VFW caps
swooning over sonny boy, and Dem rebuttals blasting mom and the VFW is
one surefire way to lose. I'd give it, surprisingly, a 85-90 on content
and about a 70-75 or so on delivery, but it was a rah-rah, so it could
break _seriously_ one way or the other. Impressive moments in a so-so
speech, but it had elements that may or may not click. If they click,
he hit a respectable homer, if not, at worst, he was so-so, so overall,
worst-case, break-even.

TC,
R

the most remarkable and noticable thing for me with regard to the entire
republican convention was the patent caucasian hue on the convention
floor and balconies...


I know...it was almost like every group of "gets to stand behind Obama
in a picture" was put into one big space...

Seriously, though, you expected much differently? There were a few
black and brown faces in the crowd, but not many.

nah...i know the typical repub face is caucasian...still startling and
sorta scary to actually see it on such a large scale in the context of
this country's most important political event. i know this is gross
hyperbole and far afield, but it made me think of newsreels i have seen
of huge political gatherings in berlin in the late 1930s-early 1940s.

other than speaking openly about the details and effect of his time as a
pow, which i thought a bit fetching but compelling and effective, his
talk was basic republican gruel...


the pretense of change was laughable.


And this contrasts with Obama...how, again? And I'll ask again - have
you read his "Blueprint For Change?"

most of it...why? b.o. has offered details in a public document and in
his talks...i don't see the same from your guy.

my intended point about mccain concerned his promise to change that
which has been in control of his own republican cadre for 8 years, and
his assertion palin is somehow going to be his co-architect in the
change. ... he has no "blueprint for change"...hell, he doesn't even
have a notecard for change. he's become the conventional republican with
too many promises to fullfil to be a "maverick", if he ever was
such...plus, he'll really screw up constitutional and federal law.
stevens won't last another 4 years...


palin is the story so far...


Naturally, because she's the newest. She passed the first big test, but
how she handles the lead-up and the first duel with Biden will be when
the real story begins (or ends, as the case may be).


not sure it's the "newness"... but agree, i too think it's a dead heat
and will be decided by the knee-jerk vote. the only hope in nc is for a
large af-am turnout, because the bubba block is resolute.

jeff

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 15:56:15 -0400, jeff miller
wrote:


And this contrasts with Obama...how, again? And I'll ask again - have
you read his "Blueprint For Change?"

most of it...why? b.o. has offered details in a public document and in
his talks...i don't see the same from your guy.

my intended point about mccain concerned his promise to change that
which has been in control of his own republican cadre for 8 years, and
his assertion palin is somehow going to be his co-architect in the
change. ... he has no "blueprint for change"...hell, he doesn't even
have a notecard for change. he's become the conventional republican with
too many promises to fullfil to be a "maverick", if he ever was
such...plus, he'll really screw up constitutional and federal law.
stevens won't last another 4 years...

The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.

Here's a hint - he stands about as much a chance at it all as Bob Barr
and his running mate, his wife's cat, stand at being elected to
POTUS/Veep and Queen of England and Royal Consort on the same
day...hell, they'd have to repeal the 22nd Amendment and he'd have to
live to 849, reelected every time, to accomplish all of what the
Blueprint promises. And every elected official from Congress to the
Coonpecker, Alabama dog catcher would have to cede total and complete
authority to him, plus he'd need to be named sole authority of every
business from GE and Exxon/Mobil to little Johnny Smith's lemonade
stand, to boot. IOW, you'll be hearing Hail Britannia To The Chief,
President Queen Bob (R) and Prince Muffy before it all happens.


palin is the story so far...


Naturally, because she's the newest. She passed the first big test, but
how she handles the lead-up and the first duel with Biden will be when
the real story begins (or ends, as the case may be).


not sure it's the "newness"... but agree, i too think it's a dead heat
and will be decided by the knee-jerk vote. the only hope in nc is for a
large af-am turnout, because the bubba block is resolute.

See my reply to 'tripper the Rasmussen link and Palin passing Obama
AND McCain,

TC,
R

jeff

wrote in message
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critique of B Obama healthcare ideas, snipped

note the constant pounding of ads, regarding healthcare for all?? This is
the start of something, perhaps as significant as the POTUS election, and it
is just starting.
There is going to be, over the next 2-4 years, a masssive push for Universal
Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it, I would guess that by the next Presidential Election, it will
either be at the doorstep or be THE national issue.
Tom

On Fri, 05 Sep 2008 22:21:04 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


wrote in message
.. .


critique of B Obama healthcare ideas, snipped

note the constant pounding of ads, regarding healthcare for all?? This is
the start of something, perhaps as significant as the POTUS election, and it
is just starting.
There is going to be, over the next 2-4 years, a masssive push for Universal
Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it, I would guess that by the next Presidential Election, it will
either be at the doorstep or be THE national issue.
Tom


It wasn't meant to be a critique of his health care ideas specifically,
but rather, the whole long list of promises without real details. A
quick glance at Blueprint shows about 500 or so "Obama will..."
statements such as:

"Cut Pork Barrel Spending
Obama will cut skyrocketing pork barrel spending projects by forcing
more transparency about who is requesting projects and what the projects
would accomplish before Congress votes to approve them.

Cut Down on Tax Haven and Tax Shelter Abuse
Obama will build on his bipartisan work to penalize companies that abuse
the tax code and stop the use of tax havens."

And how will he do it, exactly - you know, the facts and figures, the
who, what, when, and why:

"Cut Pork Barrel Spending: Obama introduced and passed bipartisan
legislation that would require more disclosure and transparency for
special-interest earmarks. Obama believes that spending that cannot
withstand public scrutiny cannot be justified. Obama will slash earmarks
to no greater than what they were in 2001 and ensure all spending
decisions are open to the public."

and

"End Tax Haven Abuse: Building on his bipartisan work in the Senate,
Obama will give the Treasury Department the tools it needs to stop the
abuse of tax shelters and offshore tax havens and help close the $350
billion tax gap between taxes owed and taxes paid.

Close Special Interest Corporate Loopholes: Obama will level the playing
field for all businesses by eliminating special-interest loopholes and
deductions, such as those for the oil and gas industry."

Um...OK. Overhaul the IRS, control Congress, and tax big oil...yeah,
there's some promises and ideas no one has heard before...and the
check's in the mail...

TC,
R

"jeff miller" wrote :

[...]

palin is the story so far...


It's about time we started talking about the real candidate Palin.

http://michaelpalinforpresident.com/

;-)

-Dan

On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

wrote:


The Blueprint is just a bunch - and I mean a BUNCH - of impossible
promises. For example, look at pages 6-9, his health care plan. He
promises all the things he will require and mandate and demand, just as
pols have been doing since people were dropping beans in boxes. What is
missing is how he is going to pay for it all, get every hospital,
pharmacy, doctor, and every other health care provider, from PT clinics
to the folks that sell HoverScooters at NO COST TO YOU!!! on board and
cooperating, oversee and regulate it all, etc. And that only covers a
fraction of the sum total of all his promises, with no _real_
explanations.


so...there should be no ideas, no blueprints, and no effort, eh? well,
i agree mccain's the man for that.

i think obama's at least started the process in a substantive way. what
has mccain done? i'll take the guy with ideas and blueprints, and hope
he can get some of it done, instead of settling for the same ****
wrapped in an old man's skin. i do believe there are some of the larger
issues - health care, education, middle class tax relief, energy
independence, rebuilding foreign relations and diplomacy - that he will
focus on and make real progress with. by the way...where have all the
iraq $$billions we've spent come from??

jeff

On Sep 4, 10:58*am, wrote:
On Sep 4, 8:06*am, Frank Church wrote:

wrote:

...your inability to spell simple words does not help your veracity and
your rabid political BS is further proof that
education does not confer common sense. Those liberal profs apparently
poked a lot of bull**** in your mush brains.

Frank Sr.

But of course you cannot dispute anything in my post. Can you?
Put up or shut up time. Or just **** into the wind like you just did.
Im going fishing for a few days. Lets see if you can actually learn
what happened in that time frame, given your superiority thingy.

We know a bit more about Alaskan politics up here in the Pacific NW.
Our papers and media actually cover Alaska. Do yours? Ive worked *in
Alaskan and really like Alaskans in general. But their taste for
getting others to pay the bills is notorious. Claiming she and
Alaskans decry pork is hilarious. *Just does not fly. As you are about
to learn.

Since you are informed about Alaska fiscal details, perhaps you can
expand on the information that, in the agreement preceding statehood,
the Alaskans said they didn't want to become wards of the federal
government, but couldn't see any way to avoid it, given their
industrial status. The Feds promised to unlock the land to allow for
the extraction of the resources that would allow the state to take
care of itself. You saw what it took to get the pipeline.
So far, other than that and some token teeth-pulling, it hasn't
happened. Unlock the land and AK will pay it all back, with interest.

cheers

oz, who understands that there is a reason the Forest Service is under
the Dept. of Agriculture

On Sep 5, 6:02*pm, wrote:
On Sep 5, 4:21 pm, "Tom Littleton" wrote:

Health Care. Given that we are the only major industrial nation without some
form of it,

Oh we have some form of it, it's just very messed up. I was in the
clinic for a blood test today, and on the "patient rights and
responsibilities" sheet that was given to me, it stated that I have
the right to the best care regardless of race, gender, etc. etc., and
the ability to pay. And the big public hospital down the road in El
Paso is asking the feds for more money to cover all the free care they
provide the victims of the Juarez drug cartel wars going on now across
the border. Not saying by any means that our system is good, but if
you are in (or on!) our borders, you can get care.

Jon.

I have always wondered, in the talk about X people not having health
care, health insurance, etc, etc., why I should be made to pay for
someone else's health care or drugs.
I don't have to pay for their food, or their homes, or their cell
phone bills, or their iPods, or their $150 sneakers. Why their health
care?

And, as long as I am ranting, why should I be upset about someone who
claims to be smart enough to make $6000 a month being stupid enough to
sign a mortgage that could grow to $3000 a month?

cheers

oz, who made (mostly) good choices