Sage rod advice, no pun

I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. I would be
greatful for any advice.

Thanks

Buff

On Sep 14, 4:15*pm, "Rodger" wrote:
I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. * One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. * For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. * I would be
greatful for any advice.

Thanks

Buff

I have that model and a couple of other RPL models, including the 576
RPL Graphite III. I like the actions, and the rods are also very
robust. ( Have not had any car crashes with them though!) Despite
handling a very large number of rods, including the newer Sage rods,
over time, I have never found anything which was really much like
them. The closest I came was a few rods I built myself using an
"older" carbon fibre specification. The general trend is towards ever
faster rods, and has been so for some time. This is reflected in many
of the Sage models.

If you are looking for an "exact" replacement, with regard to action
etc. then I fear that may well be a problem. The only real option is
to try a few rods form various makers in the price range you have set.
You could also get the same rod second hand, there are occasionally a
few being sold at various places. This depends of course on how your
insurance company settles. If they give you cash, then I would
probably try for a second hand model. This is likely to be a great
deal cheaper as well. Of the last few Sages I tried, although a couple
are really great casting rods, I was not overly impressed by them as
fishing rods.

Really difficult to give useful advice here, there are too many
largely subjective impressions involved.

TL
MC

Rodger wrote:
I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. I would be
greatful for any advice.

Thanks

Buff



I suggest you call Sage. The rod may also be covered under their
lifetime warranty program. Best way to find out is to give sage a call.

Tim Lysyk

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:15:34 -0500, "Rodger"
wrote:

I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. I would be
greatful for any advice.

If you're looking for guesstimates on a monetary value for your own
information, I'd say somewhere around $300.00 would be fair under the
circumstances (you got rear-ended, so they shouldn't do too much
quibbling if you are on the high side of reasonable), but given that it
was such a popular, common series, a check on eBay ought to give a
pretty fair current "market value." Insurance adjusters use eBay for
such valuations, so many, even most, would readily accept such
documentation.

OTOH, If you're looking for an opinion as to a "performance/'feel'
equivalent" in the current Sage lineup, I have no idea what the "model
replacement path" would be to the current lineup. IIRC, the XP
generally replaced the RPL series, and again IIRC, the XP series has
been replaced at least 2 times, but ???

IAC, I'd call Sage and ask them and then get something in writing from a
Sage dealer for the insurance company as to the current retail price of
whatever Sage says is the replacement as I doubt they are interested in
pricing opinions from a newsgroup when "real" documentation is readily
available.

TC,
R

Thanks

Buff

PS. for the purposes of establishing replacement cost, just look at
prices on the newest Sage #5 weights, and take the top of the line.
The RPL´s were once the top of the line anyway.

Some stuff like this may also be of use to you;

http://www.yellowstoneangler.com/Fly...d testing.asp

http://www.outdoorreview.com/cat/fly...1_1389crx.aspx

If you search for #5 wt reviews etc, you will find quite a lot of such
stuff, which may help you find or choose a replacement.

TL
MC

Thanks very much to you all for your advice.

One more question...

The other 'good' rod I lost was a G.Loomis, 10' ft., 9 wt, 2 pc.,
for fishing Canada. The only eqivalent Loomis rods I have found so
far are 4 pc. I have not been a fan of anything other than 2 pc. rods
but on a rod of that size it might not make that much difference. Any
opinions on that?

Thanks again,

Buff
wrote in message
...
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:15:34 -0500, "Rodger"
wrote:

I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss
of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. I would be
greatful for any advice.

If you're looking for guesstimates on a monetary value for your own
information, I'd say somewhere around $300.00 would be fair under the
circumstances (you got rear-ended, so they shouldn't do too much
quibbling if you are on the high side of reasonable), but given that
it
was such a popular, common series, a check on eBay ought to give a
pretty fair current "market value." Insurance adjusters use eBay for
such valuations, so many, even most, would readily accept such
documentation.

OTOH, If you're looking for an opinion as to a "performance/'feel'
equivalent" in the current Sage lineup, I have no idea what the "model
replacement path" would be to the current lineup. IIRC, the XP
generally replaced the RPL series, and again IIRC, the XP series has
been replaced at least 2 times, but ???

IAC, I'd call Sage and ask them and then get something in writing from
a
Sage dealer for the insurance company as to the current retail price
of
whatever Sage says is the replacement as I doubt they are interested
in
pricing opinions from a newsgroup when "real" documentation is readily
available.

TC,
R

Thanks

Buff

On Sep 14, 5:09*pm, "Rodger" wrote:
Thanks very much to you all for your advice.

One more question...

The other 'good' rod I lost was a G.Loomis, 10' ft., 9 wt, 2 pc.,
for fishing Canada. * *The only eqivalent Loomis rods I have found so
far are 4 pc. * *I have not been a fan of anything other than 2 pc. rods
but on a rod of that size it might not make that much difference. *Any
opinions on that?

Thanks again,

It is getting harder and harder to find two piece rods. Most of the
high end rods are now multiple piece rods because that is apparently
what the market wants. As materials and technology have improved,
( and ideas and trends have changed), there is now little if any
perceptible difference in actual action between two and four piece
models, but I have always preferred two piece rods myself. For one
thing, there are less joints, and so less to go wrong!

I have two older Loomis rods which I use occasionally, but I have not
used any of the newer models, except for a couple of casts of friend´s
rods etc.

TL
MC

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:09:37 -0500, "Rodger"
wrote:

Thanks very much to you all for your advice.

One more question...

The other 'good' rod I lost was a G.Loomis, 10' ft., 9 wt, 2 pc.,
for fishing Canada. The only eqivalent Loomis rods I have found so
far are 4 pc. I have not been a fan of anything other than 2 pc. rods
but on a rod of that size it might not make that much difference. Any
opinions on that?

I'd offer the same advice all rods as to the objective stuff -
replacement cost, current model(s), etc.

As to the subjective stuff, well, um, it's subjective, but IMO, you'll
notice very little difference...well, probably no difference...in modern
graphite in the lighter weights, but a 9 is tickling around the
beginnings of a strength issue (IMO). OTOH, I doubt Loomis would offer
a rod that was a warranty issue waiting to happen, so I'd suggest
casting the 4 pc. and if you like it, replace and enjoy. As always,
YMMV.

TC,
R

Thanks again,

Buff
wrote in message
.. .
On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 09:15:34 -0500, "Rodger"
wrote:

I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss
of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. I would be
greatful for any advice.

If you're looking for guesstimates on a monetary value for your own
information, I'd say somewhere around $300.00 would be fair under the
circumstances (you got rear-ended, so they shouldn't do too much
quibbling if you are on the high side of reasonable), but given that
it
was such a popular, common series, a check on eBay ought to give a
pretty fair current "market value." Insurance adjusters use eBay for
such valuations, so many, even most, would readily accept such
documentation.

OTOH, If you're looking for an opinion as to a "performance/'feel'
equivalent" in the current Sage lineup, I have no idea what the "model
replacement path" would be to the current lineup. IIRC, the XP
generally replaced the RPL series, and again IIRC, the XP series has
been replaced at least 2 times, but ???

IAC, I'd call Sage and ask them and then get something in writing from
a
Sage dealer for the insurance company as to the current retail price
of
whatever Sage says is the replacement as I doubt they are interested
in
pricing opinions from a newsgroup when "real" documentation is readily
available.

TC,
R

Thanks

Buff

On Sun, 14 Sep 2008 10:09:37 -0500, "Rodger"
wrote:

The other 'good' rod I lost was a G.Loomis, 10' ft., 9 wt, 2 pc.,
for fishing Canada. The only eqivalent Loomis rods I have found so
far are 4 pc. I have not been a fan of anything other than 2 pc. rods
but on a rod of that size it might not make that much difference. Any
opinions on that?

I doubt you will notice any difference between the equivalent four
piece Loomis and your 2 piece. Believe it or not, the four piece will
be a better caster and easier to travel with.

Your statement begs the question: why a 9 wt for Canada? I use a
Sage XPL in the 7 weight for northern pike and salmon in Canada and
Alaska. Do you use a 9 weight for Atlantic Salmon?

Also, replace your RPL with an XPL. You won't be sorry.

Dave

"Rodger" wrote in message
...

I was recently rear ended on the highway resulting in the total loss of
my Yukon along with three flyrods and reels. One of the rods was
a Sage RPL 590 Graphite III, 9', 5 wt., 2 pc....which is now an
unintentional 4 pc. For the insurance claim I have been trying to
establish what model Sage rod is an equivalent today. I would be
greatful for any advice.

Z-Axis series, $610.00 retail.

Mr. Lysyk gave you "sage" advice. If I recall correctly, when Sage went to
an uncoditional warranty they retro'd the warranty on their old rods that
people had bought prior to the warranty. If you are the original purchaser
of that rod, they may not have any RPL blanks to fix your rod but they may
provide you with their latest replacement at marginal cost.



Oh and Dickie, the XP series was only recently discontinued.