Sage rod advice, no pun

On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:32:29 -0400, "Wayne Knight"
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Ah...I tend to not keep up with "old and outdated" and "NEW AND
IMPROVED!!!" I knew that it was, um, "not current," but I wasn't sure
about how many levels of bullsh...er, improvements...that they had
advertis...er, made...

The why bother answering if you can't answer the question correctly?

Oh, **** you. I said IIRC, it was 2 (or more) "lines" back, you say
it's only 1. I didn't check, am not gonna check, and don't particularly
care either way.

Hell, without consulting model charts, catalogs, and other assorted
bull****, I think the "LATEST AND GREATEST!!!" Sage in my locker is an
LL (or maybe a little later rod, but not much...) and I have no idea
where it fits into the scheme...don't care, too...mated with a Billy
Trout and it fishes fine.

IMO, the LL series in the lighter weights were the best rods Sage ever
made. Regardless, whatever business interest the Dean family have, surely
"they" have used some form of "new and improved" in their product
advertising? They wouldn't lie to us consumers would they?

No, I wouldn't, and would not tolerate anyone working for me doing it.
If it's a practical and honest improvement where a buyer can realize
true benefit because of the improvement, of course it would be touted,
but if it's some subjective nonsense used solely to encourage the
replacement of perfectly good product with other product, it's not
proper. Aside from the dishonesty of doing it, it's bad business. Now,
I have no problem with simply issuing new models each year, simply
presenting them as "The Latest For 2008", etc. and letting those that
simply must have "this year's model" buy away, but Sage's marketing,
like many other companies, FFing and otherwise, borders on deceptive IMO
- YMMV.

TC,
R

On Sep 16, 5:54*am, wrote:
On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:32:29 -0400, "Wayne Knight"

wrote:

wrote in message
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Ah...I tend to not keep up with "old and outdated" and "NEW AND
IMPROVED!!!" *I knew that it was, um, "not current," but I wasn't sure
about how many levels of bullsh...er, improvements...that they had
advertis...er, made...

The why bother answering if you can't answer the question correctly?

Oh, **** you. *I said IIRC, it was 2 (or more) "lines" back, you say
it's only 1. *I didn't check, am not gonna check, and don't particularly
care either way.



Hell, without consulting model charts, catalogs, and other assorted
bull****, I think the "LATEST AND GREATEST!!!" Sage in my locker is an
LL (or maybe a little later rod, but not much...) and I have no idea
where it fits into the scheme...don't care, too...mated with a Billy
Trout and it fishes fine.

IMO, *the LL series in the lighter weights were the best rods Sage ever
made. Regardless, whatever business interest the Dean family have, surely
"they" have used some form of "new and improved" in their product
advertising? They wouldn't lie to us consumers would they?

No, I wouldn't, and would not tolerate anyone working for me doing it.
If it's a practical and honest improvement where a buyer can realize
true benefit because of the improvement, of course it would be touted,
but if it's some subjective nonsense used solely to encourage the
replacement of perfectly good product with other product, it's not
proper. *Aside from the dishonesty of doing it, it's bad business. *Now,
I have no problem with simply issuing new models each year, simply
presenting them as "The Latest For 2008", etc. and letting those that
simply must have "this year's model" buy away, but Sage's marketing,
like many other companies, FFing and otherwise, borders on deceptive IMO
- YMMV.

TC,
R



Nowhere near as deceptive as the bull**** you propagate here. What a
load of twaddle.

Maybe you should just learn to keep your lying trap shut?

In article , JR
wrote:

I broke an RPL two years ago and Sage replaced the broken section
and completely refurbished the rod. Had been pretty beat up --
dirty, scored, chipped grip, dings on the reel seat, etc. -- came
back indistinguishable from a new RPL. If you think that's made
me more "loyal" to Sage as a maker, you're right.

Try it. You might have the same experience.

- JR

It is the only good thing about having to wait 3 weeks while they
rebuild your rod that is broke in half instead of sending out a new rod
they next day like other companies...

In article
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wrote:

Well an LL is one of their best designs of all time IMHO. One of the
last Green designs if I am not mistaken. (Jim (?)Green the designer,
not "green" in the enviro sense) And still sought after. As a matter
of fact, I am going to look for one rat now in defiance of the coming
Black Monday.
Dave

have you tried the zxl?

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Oh, **** you.

You wish. But if you have to swing that way, there's this train station in
the fatherland.......

but Sage's marketing,
like many other companies, FFing and otherwise, borders on deceptive IMO

I generally don't buy new rods anymore, much less Sage rods but Sage does
push the envelope with various plastics and tapers. As I understand it, once
a rod's sales drop below a certain percentage, they essentially figure most
folks who want one already have one and come up with something else. Their
business model seems to work for them and alas, the Sage XP is not the Xi2
is not an LL much less an RPL. Their models do change but new and improved
is in the feel of the person doing the casting and fishing. That's why I
like the LL series, damn thing is so senstitive you can feel the fish fart.

And it's nice to know the Dean family doesn't do New and Improved just to
increase market share.

In article ,
wrote:

OTOH, If you're looking for an opinion as to a "performance/'feel'
equivalent" in the current Sage lineup, I have no idea what the "model
replacement path" would be to the current lineup. IIRC, the XP
generally replaced the RPL series, and again IIRC, the XP series has
been replaced at least 2 times, but ???

The xp has been replaced once, by the current z axis

On 15-Sep-2008, NA wrote:

I broke an RPL two years ago and Sage replaced the broken section
and completely refurbished the rod. Had been pretty beat up --
dirty, scored, chipped grip, dings on the reel seat, etc. -- came
back indistinguishable from a new RPL. If you think that's made
me more "loyal" to Sage as a maker, you're right.

Try it. You might have the same experience.

- JR

It is the only good thing about having to wait 3 weeks while they
rebuild your rod that is broke in half instead of sending out a new rod
they next day like other companies...

I had to pay $50 for my Sage repair - replacement tip and refuurbish
I may have gotten away w/o it but I needed it back fast
I find that w a good Sage rod that I can cast to a dime

However, I have never tried a Winston or Loomis rod.

Fred

On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:39:47 -0400, "Wayne Knight"
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wrote in message
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Oh, **** you.

You wish. But if you have to swing that way, there's this train station in
the fatherland.......

but Sage's marketing,
like many other companies, FFing and otherwise, borders on deceptive IMO

I generally don't buy new rods anymore, much less Sage rods but Sage does
push the envelope with various plastics and tapers. As I understand it, once
a rod's sales drop below a certain percentage, they essentially figure most
folks who want one already have one and come up with something else. Their
business model seems to work for them and alas, the Sage XP is not the Xi2
is not an LL much less an RPL. Their models do change but new and improved
is in the feel of the person doing the casting and fishing. That's why I
like the LL series, damn thing is so senstitive you can feel the fish fart.

I've fished and hunted with a wide range of gear, and IMO, once a
certain level is reached, everything beyond is mere preference or folks
buying into sales hype. If you say Sage pushes the envelope, I tend to
believe it, but I have to wonder if it's an envelope that needs pushing
as far as the vast number of FFers are objectively concerned. Those two
20USD set-ups I mentioned would do the vast majority of fishers who
needed a mid-ish weight rod and reel just dandy, and I'd bet huge sums
that they were made in China and were about "cutting edge" as 1972 Ford
pickup. OTOH, if you break down in Possum Holler at 8:30 on a Saturday
night, chances are you'll be able to find the baling wire to fix the
Ford, even some actual parts and several folks who can help.

However, if you break down in a 2008 Range Rover, and the
titanium-reenforced computer-controlled envelope-pushing cross-linked
OnStarGPS button, when pushed, will explain that you'll be required to
airfreight a team of mechanics over from England to lovingly hand-carry
the thing to a sterile clean room in East Rockaway, NJ where they'll
give it a sedative before getting to work on it with autoclaved Metric
wrenches...all for a mere 27 grand or so...I know what you're thinking -
"Naw, you say, it'd be under warranty..." The warranties on such items
don't apply when the product is subjected to a Possum Holler Saturday
night...

And it's nice to know the Dean family doesn't do New and Improved just to
increase market share.

Shoot, no - we make money the really old-fashioned way...beat it out of
the serfs...

TC,
R

On Sep 16, 12:50*am, wrote:

Just so there is no mistake Mr.Knight, I am quite disgusted and not a
little disappointed at your use of the reference.

I have tried to stay out of this fray you and others seem to
constantly want to engage in as much as possible. I remember the
specific comments about the behaviors that troubled you and the
instantaneous holier than thou responses that has led to this multi-
year flame fest. Personally I wish everyone would give it a rest as I
read your initial comments not so much homophobic as something more
along the lines of a culture clash which has led to an even bigger,
longer lasting culture clash.

However whatever else happens, the train station image, and only the
train station image provides an opportunity for parody and satire. It
was in that context that I made my response to Richard.

And no it's not acceptable to use racial slurs in pleasant
conversation, alas there is nothing I can, nor to my knowledge, anyone
else can do to prevent it. I didn't like Dickie's Richard Pryor
references either, at least in the way he presented it. But no one has
appointed me lord and master over the newsgroup and to my knowledge,
we don't collectively have access to the various servers that would
allow us to delete "offensive posts."

In other words, I wasn't taking a swipe at you, just trying to ensure
the "**** you" did not escalate into something bigger.

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If you say Sage pushes the envelope, I tend to
believe it, but I have to wonder if it's an envelope that needs pushing
as far as the vast number of FFers are objectively concerned.

The whole industry seems concentrated on selling us gear we already have.
Sage seems no worse than any of them to me-- but they were stupid for
killing that SP rod.

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Scott
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