OT We're Doomed

McCain didn't foam at the mouth or fall down twitching
in an epileptic fit and he didn't look too terribly nuts
or unpresidential, so he won.

God help us.

Proving the old adage; "When the going gets tough the tough
go fishing", me and the pup are in Boulder Junction tonight.
Trout fishing tomorrow during the day, back here to the hotel
room to watch Illini-Penn State tomorrow night, then set up
our basecamp for an extended bout of fall musky and smallmouth
fishing on Sunday.

I'll check in on roff, and post links to pics, every now and
then from a WiFi hotspot at a local watering hole with a dog
friendly outdoor beer garden overlooking the Manitowish River.

Y'all play nice.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:50:13 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

McCain didn't foam at the mouth or fall down twitching
in an epileptic fit and he didn't look too terribly nuts
or unpresidential, so he won.

God help us.

Proving the old adage; "When the going gets tough the tough
go fishing", me and the pup are in Boulder Junction tonight.
Trout fishing tomorrow during the day, back here to the hotel
room to watch Illini-Penn State tomorrow night, then set up
our basecamp for an extended bout of fall musky and smallmouth
fishing on Sunday.

I'll check in on roff, and post links to pics, every now and
then from a WiFi hotspot at a local watering hole with a dog
friendly outdoor beer garden overlooking the Manitowish River.

Y'all play nice.

Don't despair, your premise is likely flawed. I think most people were
actually wondering if Obama could match up in "Presidentialness" with McCain,
and as far as that goes, Obama did just fine. He was certainly more coherent
than McCain, who frequently struggled to keep a thread on track.

Indeed, McCain may have hurt himself when he started getting agitated and
resorted to filibustering the limited time, and making demeaning statements.
And while I'm not a student of the whole "body language" thing, he came off
looking like a white-knuckled stiff compared to Obama. Sure - he didn't
actually burst into flames, but as he sinks further in the polls, that might
just happen in the next debate.

Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down. But the
greater point is, this first debate was supposed to play to McCain's alleged
strengths in foreign policy. It definitely didn't...

Have fun, catch a bunch of feesh!

/daytripper

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually
watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down.

I found it fun to keep an eye on CNN's response meter of real-time emotional
response from a captive audience. Obama was actually getting better response
from Republicans, at times, than McCain. It was visible that when the
speaker switched from Obama to McCain, the meter plummetted, so I think
McCain's mannerisms put folks off. Sadly, Obama missed one opportunity to
end it all. McCain went on about Iran's Republican guard being a supporter
of terrorism. Iran doesn't HAVE a Republican Guard, the military wing is the
Revolutionary Guard, and had Obama politely pointed that out, it would have
made McCain look dim on his strong suit. Instead, Obama responded, repeating
McCain's error. So, silly season continues.
Tom

On Sep 27, 7:22*am, "Tom Littleton" wrote:
"daytripper" wrote in message

...

Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually
watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down.

I found it fun to keep an eye on CNN's response meter of real-time emotional
response from a captive audience. Obama was actually getting better response
from Republicans, at times, than McCain. It was visible that when the
speaker switched from Obama to McCain, the meter plummetted, so I think
McCain's mannerisms put folks off. Sadly, Obama missed one opportunity to
end it all. McCain went on about Iran's Republican guard being a supporter
of terrorism. Iran doesn't HAVE a Republican Guard, the military wing is the
Revolutionary Guard, and had Obama politely pointed that out, it would have
made McCain look dim on his strong suit. Instead, Obama responded, repeating
McCain's error. So, silly season continues.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Tom

Assuming that Obama was conscious of the mistake, I think that he was
better off not saying anything about it: if he had, McCain would
probably have spun it as Obama the Liberal's sensitivities to how the
bad guys want to be called.

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:22:41 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:


"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually
watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down.

I found it fun to keep an eye on CNN's response meter of real-time emotional
response from a captive audience. Obama was actually getting better response
from Republicans, at times, than McCain. It was visible that when the
speaker switched from Obama to McCain, the meter plummetted, so I think
McCain's mannerisms put folks off. Sadly, Obama missed one opportunity to
end it all. McCain went on about Iran's Republican guard being a supporter
of terrorism. Iran doesn't HAVE a Republican Guard, the military wing is the
Revolutionary Guard,

Er, no. There is the Army of the Islamic Republic and the Army of the
Guardians of the Revolution (which is commonly called "The Revolutionary
Guard" by much of the media in the US), which are, plainly, the two
divisions of "the Iranian army" when using "army" as a description of a
country's land forces, and which have some overlap. And FWIW, McCain
probably got "Republican guard" (which is an arguably correct military
Americanization/Anglicization of a transliteration, or, a simple
oft-made mistake) from reading military reports - Petraeus and others
have used the phrase "Iranian Republican Guard Corps." Long story
short, given the transliterations and Americanizations (versus
Anglicazations) of the Persian/Farsi, this wasn't an "AHA!" moment.

and had Obama politely pointed that out, it would have
made McCain look dim on his strong suit.

Not if McCain could have quoted Petraeus (or others) verbatim...and if
he could have explained it, Obama would have looked not only like a
nit-picker, but one who got his spike stuffed back on his ass...

Instead, Obama responded, repeating McCain's error.


So, silly season continues.
Tom

HTH,
R

On Sep 28, 4:18*am, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:22:41 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:



"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually
watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down.

I found it fun to keep an eye on CNN's response meter of real-time emotional
response from a captive audience. Obama was actually getting better response
from Republicans, at times, than McCain. It was visible that when the
speaker switched from Obama to McCain, the meter plummetted, so I think
McCain's mannerisms put folks off. Sadly, Obama missed one opportunity to
end it all. McCain went on about Iran's Republican guard being a supporter
of terrorism. Iran doesn't HAVE a Republican Guard, the military wing is the
Revolutionary Guard,

Er, no. *There is the Army of the Islamic Republic and the Army of the
Guardians of the Revolution (which is commonly called "The Revolutionary
Guard" by much of the media in the US), which are, plainly, the two
divisions of "the Iranian army" when using "army" as a description of a
country's land forces, and which have some overlap. *And FWIW, McCain
probably got "Republican guard" (which is an arguably correct military
Americanization/Anglicization of a transliteration, or, a simple
oft-made mistake) from reading military reports - Petraeus and others
have used the phrase "Iranian Republican Guard Corps." *Long story
short, given the transliterations and Americanizations (versus
Anglicazations) of the Persian/Farsi, this wasn't an "AHA!" moment.

and had Obama politely pointed that out, it would have
made McCain look dim on his strong suit.

Not if McCain could have quoted Petraeus (or others) verbatim...and if
he could have explained it, Obama would have looked not only like a
nit-picker, but one who got his spike stuffed back on his ass...

Instead, Obama responded, repeating McCain's error.
So, silly season continues.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

HTH,
R



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hey, wanna know what i think? (chorus of resounding yawns)..... if
the dems are successful in getting the highest possible number of
black voters into the voting booths at the designated hour, they will
likely win. if not, forget it.

yfitons
wayno

On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 01:05:10 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote:

On Sep 28, 4:18*am, wrote:
On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 11:22:41 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:



"daytripper" wrote in message
.. .
Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually
watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down.

I found it fun to keep an eye on CNN's response meter of real-time emotional
response from a captive audience. Obama was actually getting better response
from Republicans, at times, than McCain. It was visible that when the
speaker switched from Obama to McCain, the meter plummetted, so I think
McCain's mannerisms put folks off. Sadly, Obama missed one opportunity to
end it all. McCain went on about Iran's Republican guard being a supporter
of terrorism. Iran doesn't HAVE a Republican Guard, the military wing is the
Revolutionary Guard,

Er, no. *There is the Army of the Islamic Republic and the Army of the
Guardians of the Revolution (which is commonly called "The Revolutionary
Guard" by much of the media in the US), which are, plainly, the two
divisions of "the Iranian army" when using "army" as a description of a
country's land forces, and which have some overlap. *And FWIW, McCain
probably got "Republican guard" (which is an arguably correct military
Americanization/Anglicization of a transliteration, or, a simple
oft-made mistake) from reading military reports - Petraeus and others
have used the phrase "Iranian Republican Guard Corps." *Long story
short, given the transliterations and Americanizations (versus
Anglicazations) of the Persian/Farsi, this wasn't an "AHA!" moment.

and had Obama politely pointed that out, it would have
made McCain look dim on his strong suit.

Not if McCain could have quoted Petraeus (or others) verbatim...and if
he could have explained it, Obama would have looked not only like a
nit-picker, but one who got his spike stuffed back on his ass...

Instead, Obama responded, repeating McCain's error.
So, silly season continues.
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *Tom

HTH,
R



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hey, wanna know what i think? (chorus of resounding yawns)..... if
the dems are successful in getting the highest possible number of
black voters into the voting booths at the designated hour, they will
likely win. if not, forget it.

Which black voters - the talked-down-to or, you know, like, the normal
ones...? IMO, while Obama will certainly get some votes from blacks
because he's "black," there are a fair number of blacks out there who
vote like white folks, you know, like, with a candidate's race being
down on the list of reasons (and I think that number is higher than many
people, including Obama's staff, realize).

OTOH, there are also a fair number of folks, black, white and otherwise,
who will vote for or against based firstly on skin color. The problem
for Obama is that blacks, even allowing the racist assumption that they
will vote purely Obama, aren't distributed in such fashion to make
Obama's racist strategy a sure thing. More importantly, the places
where an increased turnout by blacks voting skin color could make a real
difference are the very places that contain whites who will turn out in
increased numbers to vote against skin color. And no, I don't mean
Mississippi and Alabama, I mean New York, New Jersey, Florida, etc. The
real pity in it all is that it even matters, and the shame for Dems is
that many will say the end justifies the means - if it gets our guy in,
who cares how or why. The US is, or rather, was, slowly but surely
moving toward a society where such things really didn't matter much, and
now, because of some uppity high yaller pol desperate to get elected via
any means, things will backslide a bit...

TC,
R

yfitons
wayno

"daytripper" wrote in message
...
Don't despair, your premise is likely flawed. I think most people were
actually wondering if Obama could match up in "Presidentialness" with
McCain,
and as far as that goes, Obama did just fine. He was certainly more
coherent
than McCain, who frequently struggled to keep a thread on track.

Indeed, McCain may have hurt himself when he started getting agitated and
resorted to filibustering the limited time, and making demeaning
statements.
And while I'm not a student of the whole "body language" thing, he came
off
looking like a white-knuckled stiff compared to Obama. Sure - he didn't
actually burst into flames, but as he sinks further in the polls, that
might
just happen in the next debate.

Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually
watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down. But
the
greater point is, this first debate was supposed to play to McCain's
alleged
strengths in foreign policy. It definitely didn't...

Have fun, catch a bunch of feesh!



I still think they did about equal.

I do however think that McCain is pretty much really mad because he could
never get as far ahead in the navy as his father and hungers for a command
that he could never work his way into and the presidency is the only other
way

similar motivation (in part) to Bush's Iraq to emulate and avenge his father
for his middle eastern problems

mk5000

"If it's worth your while
Say something, say something
If it's worth your while
Say something good to me"--mariah carey

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:12:01 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:50:13 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

McCain didn't foam at the mouth or fall down twitching
in an epileptic fit and he didn't look too terribly nuts
or unpresidential, so he won.

God help us.

Proving the old adage; "When the going gets tough the tough
go fishing", me and the pup are in Boulder Junction tonight.
Trout fishing tomorrow during the day, back here to the hotel
room to watch Illini-Penn State tomorrow night, then set up
our basecamp for an extended bout of fall musky and smallmouth
fishing on Sunday.

I'll check in on roff, and post links to pics, every now and
then from a WiFi hotspot at a local watering hole with a dog
friendly outdoor beer garden overlooking the Manitowish River.

Y'all play nice.

Don't despair, your premise is likely flawed. I think most people were
actually wondering if Obama could match up in "Presidentialness" with McCain,
and as far as that goes, Obama did just fine. He was certainly more coherent
than McCain, who frequently struggled to keep a thread on track.

Indeed, McCain may have hurt himself when he started getting agitated and
resorted to filibustering the limited time, and making demeaning statements.
And while I'm not a student of the whole "body language" thing, he came off
looking like a white-knuckled stiff compared to Obama. Sure - he didn't
actually burst into flames, but as he sinks further in the polls, that might
just happen in the next debate.

Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down. But the
greater point is, this first debate was supposed to play to McCain's alleged
strengths in foreign policy. It definitely didn't...

Have fun, catch a bunch of feesh!

/daytripper


McCain v. Obama, on the debate and the election, flip a coin - neither
won, neither lost - big, huge, ****ing waste of time in Oxford waiting
for some real excitement today...they both shoulda stayed in DC...

TC,
R

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 21:11:42 -0500, wrote:

On Sat, 27 Sep 2008 02:12:01 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Fri, 26 Sep 2008 22:50:13 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

McCain didn't foam at the mouth or fall down twitching
in an epileptic fit and he didn't look too terribly nuts
or unpresidential, so he won.

God help us.

Proving the old adage; "When the going gets tough the tough
go fishing", me and the pup are in Boulder Junction tonight.
Trout fishing tomorrow during the day, back here to the hotel
room to watch Illini-Penn State tomorrow night, then set up
our basecamp for an extended bout of fall musky and smallmouth
fishing on Sunday.

I'll check in on roff, and post links to pics, every now and
then from a WiFi hotspot at a local watering hole with a dog
friendly outdoor beer garden overlooking the Manitowish River.

Y'all play nice.

Don't despair, your premise is likely flawed. I think most people were
actually wondering if Obama could match up in "Presidentialness" with McCain,
and as far as that goes, Obama did just fine. He was certainly more coherent
than McCain, who frequently struggled to keep a thread on track.

Indeed, McCain may have hurt himself when he started getting agitated and
resorted to filibustering the limited time, and making demeaning statements.
And while I'm not a student of the whole "body language" thing, he came off
looking like a white-knuckled stiff compared to Obama. Sure - he didn't
actually burst into flames, but as he sinks further in the polls, that might
just happen in the next debate.

Anyway...according to the only *sampling* poll of those who actually watched
the debate that I've found so far, Obama "won" the debate hands-down. But the
greater point is, this first debate was supposed to play to McCain's alleged
strengths in foreign policy. It definitely didn't...

Have fun, catch a bunch of feesh!

/daytripper


McCain v. Obama, on the debate and the election, flip a coin - neither
won, neither lost - big, huge, ****ing waste of time in Oxford waiting
for some real excitement today...they both shoulda stayed in DC...

TC,
R

Not only do I disagree, but those who were polled do as well. While the
churlish (read: die hard Rethuglicans) would love to dismiss the debate as "a
whole lot of nothing", there were some illuminating things to take from it.

Not the least of which, those who were polled felt that Obama was actually
"stronger" on Iraq than McCain - which I interpret to mean that Americans want
us out, and McCain represents bidness as usual, ad infinitum.

I will agree with Ken's concerns to this extent: if Obama was white, this
thing would have been long over. McCain has nothing going for him now...

/daytripper