Electric Motor for new Outcast Pontoon

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:12:22 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:04:29 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

daytripper wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/home.html

http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/products/travel.html

I bought a Torqeedo for the lean, mean, muskie chasing machine
(an 18 ft Grumman canoe) and it's a sweet piece of equipment.

I don't know diddly about pontoons but I can recommend the
Torqeedo without reservation (well, other than it's pricey).

$1500! Holy crapola! You're certainly correct about that!

/daytripper (who remembers when a new car sold for less ;-)

Yeah, it's not cheap but you don't have to buy and recycle a
$200 deep cycle marine battery every other year. Besides, it's
a cool, new gadget and I'm a total sucker for cool, new gadgets.


$200?!?! Every other year? Jeez, the Wal-Mart batteries I recommended
are about $65, and have either a two or three-year free replacement
warranty, prorated after that. Don't Torqeedos use batteries?

The Travel model uses a built-in lithium-manganese battery pack, which
probably accounts for much of the astronomic cost.

fwiw, I suspect (but can't verify) that Wal-Mart follows the industry standard
warranty model for deep-cycle batteries, which typically includes a first-year
full replacement, and a 2 or 3 year pro-rated warranty...

/daytripper

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 00:56:51 -0400, daytripper
wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:12:22 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 21:04:29 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

daytripper wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/home.html

http://www.torqeedo.com/us/hn/products/travel.html

I bought a Torqeedo for the lean, mean, muskie chasing machine
(an 18 ft Grumman canoe) and it's a sweet piece of equipment.

I don't know diddly about pontoons but I can recommend the
Torqeedo without reservation (well, other than it's pricey).

$1500! Holy crapola! You're certainly correct about that!

/daytripper (who remembers when a new car sold for less ;-)

Yeah, it's not cheap but you don't have to buy and recycle a
$200 deep cycle marine battery every other year. Besides, it's
a cool, new gadget and I'm a total sucker for cool, new gadgets.


$200?!?! Every other year? Jeez, the Wal-Mart batteries I recommended
are about $65, and have either a two or three-year free replacement
warranty, prorated after that. Don't Torqeedos use batteries?

The Travel model uses a built-in lithium-manganese battery pack, which
probably accounts for much of the astronomic cost.

fwiw, I suspect (but can't verify) that Wal-Mart follows the industry standard
warranty model for deep-cycle batteries, which typically includes a first-year
full replacement, and a 2 or 3 year pro-rated warranty...

/daytripper

No, they don't. I can't remember how much longer, but it's longer.
FWIW, I know some folks around here aren't fans of Wal-Mart, but these
batteries ("Everstart Maxx Marine" or similar) are one hell of a deal.
And not all marine batteries, including some at Wal-Mart, have even a
year's warranty - we had a bank of Interstates go bad after about 8
months and those only had a 6 month warranty, no pro rata. And the
Interstate rep would do nothing. No more Interstate anything for me.
OTOH, I've had one or two of about 20-24 of the WM Maxx's go south and
at 9:30-10pm on a Thursday night, I was able to swap one out in
Theodore, AL. Granted, it wasn't at the water's edge as a marina would
have been, but after about 7, if one wants on-the-water service, it's
just about gonna be TowBoatUS or SeaTow.

TC,
R

On Oct 3, 3:59*am, wrote:

Anybody hooked up one of those 12 volt solar trickle chargers? . . .
for an RV, camper, cabin 12 volt set up? Recommends?
I just pulled the biggest, heaviest deep cycle Ive ever seen out of a
used camper. Branded "Alaskan Gold," Whats the skinny on these big
boys?
Dave

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

On Oct 3, 3:59*am, wrote:

Anybody hooked up one of those 12 volt solar trickle chargers? . . .
for an RV, camper, cabin 12 volt set up? Recommends?
I just pulled the biggest, heaviest deep cycle Ive ever seen out of a
used camper. Branded "Alaskan Gold," Whats the skinny on these big
boys?
Dave

As to the solar, yep. Have several and am pleased with them thus far. I
got several on a "closeout" deal at West Marine (in-store) when they
went from rigid to folding/rollable (I think I paid about $30.00 on
average two sizes, something like 75% off), so given the price, they
were a no-brainer. I also have several large panel set-ups, but unless
you really want something like that, I'd say stick with the smaller,
pre-packaged units.

As to the deep cycles, don't drain them completely, keep a float charge
on them, check the fluid level, and don't use them for starting
batteries. Some marine apps use 8v batteries in 24v systems, and maybe
RVs do, too, but ???. Some of the large batteries with the terminals on
the end are 8v, some 12v, so check what you have.

TC,
R

wrote:
daytripper wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Yeah, it's not cheap but you don't have to buy and recycle a
$200 deep cycle marine battery every other year. Besides, it's
a cool, new gadget and I'm a total sucker for cool, new gadgets.

$200?!?! Every other year? Jeez, the Wal-Mart batteries I recommended
are about $65, and have either a two or three-year free replacement
warranty, prorated after that. Don't Torqeedos use batteries?
The Travel model uses a built-in lithium-manganese battery pack, which
probably accounts for much of the astronomic cost.

fwiw, I suspect (but can't verify) that Wal-Mart follows the industry standard
warranty model for deep-cycle batteries, which typically includes a first-year
full replacement, and a 2 or 3 year pro-rated warranty...

No, they don't. ...

I've never bought a deep cycle battery but one thing I
found out when I was looking into them is that only rich
people can afford cheap batteries. The high end ones are
about $200, then you add in a good charger, plus you've
got to cart all that **** around when you're on the road.
The Torqueedo is self-contained, you just plug in the
recharger to a wall outlet attach it to the removable
battery pack and you're good to go. Convenience has a
price I guess.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Oct 3, 7:52*am, wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:59*am, wrote:

Anybody hooked up one of those 12 volt solar trickle chargers? *. . .
for an RV, camper, cabin 12 volt set up? *Recommends?
I just pulled the biggest, heaviest deep cycle Ive ever seen out of a
used camper. Branded "Alaskan Gold," Whats the skinny on these big
boys?
Dave

As to the solar, yep. *Have several and am pleased with them thus far. I
got several on a "closeout" deal at West Marine (in-store) when they
went from rigid to folding/rollable (I think I paid about $30.00 on
average two sizes, something like 75% off), so given the price, they
were a no-brainer. *I also have several large panel set-ups, but unless
you really want something like that, I'd say stick with the smaller,
pre-packaged units.

As to the deep cycles, don't drain them completely, keep a float charge
on them, check the fluid level, and don't use them for starting
batteries. *Some marine apps use 8v batteries in 24v systems, and maybe
RVs do, too, but ???. *Some of the large batteries with the terminals on
the end are 8v, some 12v, so check what you have.

TC,
R

Thanx for info. West Marine is new to me but it looks like they've got
stores all over this area, so Im going over there in a day or two.. Do
you have any of the smaller units hooked up to deep cycles permantly?
Im planning to put something in that will keep me in light,
water(pumped) and maybe a little heat, with LNG mostly powering the
cookstove, heater and refridg, of a stationary camper. Lots of sun in
SW Washington. Ive got lots of industrial grade power for pumps etc.,
but no easy 120. I want a set up that will support me for 1-2 weeks at
a time between plug in battery recharges. Suggestions?

How big are your biggest arrays? What do they yield?

Dave

On Oct 3, 7:52*am, wrote:
On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 07:27:44 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
On Oct 3, 3:59*am, wrote:

Anybody hooked up one of those 12 volt solar trickle chargers? *. . .
for an RV, camper, cabin 12 volt set up? *Recommends?
I just pulled the biggest, heaviest deep cycle Ive ever seen out of a
used camper. Branded "Alaskan Gold," Whats the skinny on these big
boys?
Dave

As to the solar, yep. *Have several and am pleased with them thus far. I
got several on a "closeout" deal at West Marine (in-store) when they
went from rigid to folding/rollable (I think I paid about $30.00 on
average two sizes, something like 75% off), so given the price, they
were a no-brainer. *I also have several large panel set-ups, but unless
you really want something like that, I'd say stick with the smaller,
pre-packaged units.

As to the deep cycles, don't drain them completely, keep a float charge
on them, check the fluid level, and don't use them for starting
batteries. *Some marine apps use 8v batteries in 24v systems, and maybe
RVs do, too, but ???. *Some of the large batteries with the terminals on
the end are 8v, some 12v, so check what you have.

TC,
R

I thought I had responded to this message but evidently sent it into
the either so I,ll try again.

Thanks for the info. West Marine is all over around here but Ive never
used them. I looked on their site and it looks like they have maybe
what i need. Thanks again.
I want to use a solar trickler to support a 12 volt system in a
stationary camper for lights, water pump, and a little heat. Will use
LNG for most heat, cookstove, refridg. Want to be able to go 1-2 weeks
w/out plug-in recharge this Winter during steelhead run. Lots of sun
in SW Washington. Suggestions welcomed.

Do you have the smaller units hooked up perm? How about your larger
units?
I don't have easy 110 for hookup but do have industrial grade power
into property for pumps etc.

Dave

On Oct 3, 8:18*am, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
wrote:
daytripper wrote:
wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Yeah, it's not cheap but you don't have to buy and recycle a
$200 deep cycle marine battery every other year. Besides, it's
a cool, new gadget and I'm a total sucker for cool, new gadgets.

$200?!?! *Every other year? *Jeez, the Wal-Mart batteries I recommended
are about $65, and have either a two or three-year free replacement
warranty, prorated after that. *Don't Torqeedos use batteries?
The Travel model uses a built-in lithium-manganese battery pack, which
probably accounts for much of the astronomic cost.

fwiw, I suspect (but can't verify) that Wal-Mart follows the industry standard
warranty model for deep-cycle batteries, which typically includes a first-year
full replacement, and a 2 or 3 year pro-rated warranty...

No, they don't. ...

I've never bought a deep cycle battery but one thing I
found out when I was looking into them is that only rich
people can afford cheap batteries. The high end ones are
about $200, then you add in a good charger, plus you've
got to cart all that **** around when you're on the road.
The Torqueedo is self-contained, you just plug in the
recharger to a wall outlet attach it to the removable
battery pack and you're good to go. Convenience has a
price I guess.

--
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On Thu, 02 Oct 2008 23:05:50 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:
I thought about adding a depthfinder but you gotta draw a line
somewhere. ;-)

With that combination, you should think about the Humminbird® 1197c SI
Combo NVB. It's a full $3k, but it's a side-scanning unit. Not only
gives you GPS capability, but a 3-D picture of the water under you.
Mmmm-mm!!! Can't beat THAT! :-D