Why is this getting no play??

On Oct 7, 6:06*pm, "Dry_Heat" wrote:

And where did that $450 million in pork go Dave? Next time you take a
partisan dump you ought to make sure its not targeted on your team.
But hell, maybe voting for these idiots a third time will do the
trick. Not

Or maybe you haven't heard: the country is sick and tired of right-
wing BS? The bills have come due and they have to be paid. Its time
for the adults to take over. The last time the Republicans balanced a
budget was half a century ago.

Don't fret. Drug addict America haters like Rush will still be
available 24/7 with all the blather-headed crap a right-wing dead-
ender could want. The rest of us have to live in the real world.
Independents and many real Conservatives and are going with the
Democrats this time. They are putting the country's interests over
shabby ideology.
Dave

On Oct 8, 8:58*am, "Dry_Heat" wrote:


I am appalled that others can't see through bull**** that Hussein Obama is
spewing.



Now there's some irony for you.

--riverman
Sorry sir, your xenophobia is showing....

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:16:28 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

But he was a "hero" too, in the same way many other POWs were
"heroes".

His POW ordeal was not necessary. As the son of a high ranking
admiral, he was offered a release. Remember, his right shoulder, both
arms, and I believe a leg were broken. And they weren't set properly.
He lived in a helluva lot of pain. Yet, when offered an early release
because of his father's position, he refused. First captured, first
released. That's the way it is.

McCain was a hero during the fire aboard Forrestal. His stationary
plane had been hit by an errant missle from another plane on board.
He exited his aircraft, help evacuate others and fight the fire.
THEN, instead of going home with his air group aboard Forrestal (the
carrier was out of commission and headed home for repairs along with
its air groups), McCain volunteered to go aboard Oriskany and continue
his sorties over NVN. THAT is what a true hero would do, not run home
with 3 phony PHs like your hero.

Dave

On Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:47:10 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

So why has Captain McCain refused to sign SF-180 ?

Uh, perhaps he got the clap in Alongapo?

Just because he *only* made Captain (O6) and did not make Admiral is
not unusual. Not everyone makes Admiral, even sons of Admirals.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote in
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His stationary
plane had been hit by an errant missle from another plane on board.

I seem to recall someone suggesting that because Cleland's injuries were
from a freindly grenade, this somehow made him less of a hero.


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Scott
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Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
But he was a "hero" too, in the same way many other POWs were
"heroes".
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THEN, instead of going home with his air group aboard Forrestal (the
carrier was out of commission and headed home for repairs along with
its air groups), McCain volunteered to go aboard Oriskany and continue
his sorties over NVN. THAT is what a true hero would do, not run home
with 3 phony PHs like your hero.

You're as goofy as McCain. Volunteering for combat isn't heroic,
it's incredibly poor judgment. Not to mention juvenile. A *TRUE*
hero takes one look at that monumental disaster known as Vietnam
and gets the hell out of there as quickly as possible to go home
and fight against the war.

The things that pass for heroes I just don't understand.

--
Ken Fortenberry

Dave LaCourse wrote in
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ALL Naval aviators are hot shoes. They couldn't and wouldn't be
pilots unless they were.

My point exactly, Dave. Do we really want someone with that attitude and
temperatment at the helm right now?? If this is a story that can tell us
what McCain's outlook is, isn't this an important story?

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Scott
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On 8 Oct 2008 12:25:07 GMT, Scott Seidman
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Dave LaCourse wrote in
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ALL Naval aviators are hot shoes. They couldn't and wouldn't be
pilots unless they were.

My point exactly, Dave. Do we really want someone with that attitude and
temperatment at the helm right now?? If this is a story that can tell us
what McCain's outlook is, isn't this an important story?

Scott, in all seriousness, what he did as a young man is not absolutely
an indicator of how he might act as an older, more mature man, and in
McCain's specific case, his later actions show a distinct maturing from
a "hot shot" to a real leader, at least in the military sense. By all
or most accounts, McCain began to "straighten up" before he was shot
down and when McCain returned from being a POW, he was a real leader.
His later military career was substantially different than his earlier
career and he showed real promise. Hence my comments about Obama's
admitted drug abuse - I've no doubt that he learned from that and
matured beyond it, and is probably a better man with better
understanding because of it, as did McCain from his youthful actions.
But again, if one's past is the only indicator in your mind, fine -
you're firmly convinced me - McCain should never be allowed to fly any
aircraft ever again and Obama is a dangerous drug abuser.

TC,
R

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 07:24:38 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
But he was a "hero" too, in the same way many other POWs were
"heroes".
snip
THEN, instead of going home with his air group aboard Forrestal (the
carrier was out of commission and headed home for repairs along with
its air groups), McCain volunteered to go aboard Oriskany and continue
his sorties over NVN. THAT is what a true hero would do, not run home
with 3 phony PHs like your hero.

You're as goofy as McCain. Volunteering for combat isn't heroic,
it's incredibly poor judgment. Not to mention juvenile. A *TRUE*
hero takes one look at that monumental disaster known as Vietnam
and gets the hell out of there as quickly as possible to go home
and fight against the war.

Ken, you're as wrong as you can possibly be. I know at least one
officer who hated the war, thought it was a monumental mistake and a
waste of lives, but also felt that he had a duty to both obey orders as
well as do his best to see that those under his command had leaders who
would effective lead them. And from what I've seen of fair number of
other men, he apparently wasn't alone in his feelings.

The things that pass for heroes I just don't understand.

More's the pity, and that's just plain sad...

I sincerely hope this helps,
R

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On 8 Oct 2008 12:25:07 GMT, Scott Seidman
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote in
m:


ALL Naval aviators are hot shoes. They couldn't and wouldn't be
pilots unless they were.

My point exactly, Dave. Do we really want someone with that attitude
and temperatment at the helm right now?? If this is a story that can
tell us what McCain's outlook is, isn't this an important story?

Scott, in all seriousness, what he did as a young man is not
absolutely an indicator of how he might act as an older, more mature
man, and in McCain's specific case, his later actions show a distinct
maturing from a "hot shot" to a real leader, at least in the military
sense. By all or most accounts, McCain began to "straighten up"
before he was shot down and when McCain returned from being a POW, he
was a real leader. His later military career was substantially
different than his earlier career and he showed real promise. Hence
my comments about Obama's admitted drug abuse - I've no doubt that he
learned from that and matured beyond it, and is probably a better man
with better understanding because of it, as did McCain from his
youthful actions. But again, if one's past is the only indicator in
your mind, fine - you're firmly convinced me - McCain should never be
allowed to fly any aircraft ever again and Obama is a dangerous drug
abuser.

TC,
R


Richard, I think we're looking at one of them "four legs, two legs, three
legs" things. McCain simply doesn't look anything like the leader he was
eight years ago. He doesn't seem to have it in him to keep the hot shot
supressed anymore, and I suspect we'll see more and more of that as he
continues on into his dotage.

If McCain really was still a leader, he would have been leading a
Republican charge to keep the Idiot in Chief under control these last
eight years, instead of writing him a blank check. This would have been
the "maverick" move that would have kept a perfectly good (arguably)
political party from becoming poison for at least one election cycle, and
history would have put him in the political hero column.

Because he did not do this, his party is out of a leadership role, as is
appropriate for a group that has to redefine their mission to regain
credibility with moderate Americans.

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Scott
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