Why is this getting no play??

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Kerry was a phony. ...
That's a lie, a demonstrable lie, and you should be ashamed to
say it. You're quite the GOP tool, Louie. Bad-mouthing GOP war
veterans is beyond the pale but swiftboating a Democrat is just
hunky-dory. John Kerry is a war hero and a patriot.

Er, no. ...

Another GOP tool heard from.

But there's absolutely nothing
"heroic" about it, either.

Some would claim there's nothing particularly "heroic" about
having your airplane shot out of the sky.

You will never get it, Ken. ...
Oh, I get it alright.

No, you absolutely do not "get it"...but if it makes you feel any
better, Dave doesn't "get it" either.

So tell us, who does "get it" ? Who has the whole god, country,
patriotic, geopolitical, post-national, globally intertwined,
twenty-first century political philosophy all figured out ?

I'd like to meet that guy (or gal).

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Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 16:16:34 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Kerry was a phony. ...
That's a lie, a demonstrable lie, and you should be ashamed to
say it. You're quite the GOP tool, Louie. Bad-mouthing GOP war
veterans is beyond the pale but swiftboating a Democrat is just
hunky-dory. John Kerry is a war hero and a patriot.

Er, no. ...

Another GOP tool heard from.

But there's absolutely nothing
"heroic" about it, either.

Some would claim there's nothing particularly "heroic" about
having your airplane shot out of the sky.

And they would be correct - there was nothing "heroic" about McCain's
being shot down. It was particular actions while he was a POW, among
other acts, that were heroic.

You will never get it, Ken. ...
Oh, I get it alright.

No, you absolutely do not "get it"...but if it makes you feel any
better, Dave doesn't "get it" either.

So tell us, who does "get it" ? Who has the whole god, country,
patriotic, geopolitical, post-national, globally intertwined,
twenty-first century political philosophy all figured out ?

I'm gonna go with Jessica Simpson...the way I figure it, she'd probably
believe it, and hey, it could lead to some nekkididity on her part...

I'd like to meet that guy (or gal).

Me, too - see above Ms. Simpson...

I guess it's like art and porn - I can't define it, but I sure as hell
know it when I see it, and much like a nekkid Ms. Simpson, I enjoy
seeing it...the art and the porn as well as the understanding of
heroism, I mean. And neither you nor Dave "get it" when it comes to
heroism.

HTH,
R

wrote:
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I guess it's like art and porn - I can't define it, but I sure as hell
know it when I see it, and much like a nekkid Ms. Simpson, I enjoy
seeing it...the art and the porn as well as the understanding of
heroism, I mean. And neither you nor Dave "get it" when it comes to
heroism.

You can't define heroism because the word has lost all meaning.
When everyone who served in 'Nam, everyone in the military, the
fire department and the police force is a "hero" the word becomes
meaningless. Hell, Bill Ayers is in the news lately so I nominate
the Weathermen as true American heroes. They probably did more to
end the war in Vietnam than some of your more pedestrian heroes
like Martin Luther King Jr. et al. 1/2 :-)

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 17:29:59 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
...
I guess it's like art and porn - I can't define it, but I sure as hell
know it when I see it, and much like a nekkid Ms. Simpson, I enjoy
seeing it...the art and the porn as well as the understanding of
heroism, I mean. And neither you nor Dave "get it" when it comes to
heroism.

You can't define heroism because the word has lost all meaning.
When everyone who served in 'Nam, everyone in the military, the
fire department and the police force is a "hero" the word becomes
meaningless. Hell, Bill Ayers is in the news lately so I nominate
the Weathermen as true American heroes. They probably did more to
end the war in Vietnam than some of your more pedestrian heroes
like Martin Luther King Jr. et al. 1/2 :-)

I don't think that everyone who served in "'Nam" ("'Nam,"
Gracie...what, are you watching "Rambo" or something...?), everyone in
the military, the FD, PD, etc. are "heroes." In fact, a few are total,
complete, utter ****ups and criminals as far away from any rational
definition of "hero" as one could get. I do not think that Bill Ayers
is one, but I'm not sure he falls into the category of "bad guy" either.
MKL is marginally one, based on what I understand of his motives, good
and bad. John McCain is a "hero," John Kerry is not. And IMO, the
status of both doesn't, in and of itself, have the slightest thing to do
with their suitability or lack thereof to be POTUS.

HTH,
R

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
...
I guess it's like art and porn - I can't define it, but I sure as hell
know it when I see it, and much like a nekkid Ms. Simpson, I enjoy
seeing it...the art and the porn as well as the understanding of
heroism, I mean. And neither you nor Dave "get it" when it comes to
heroism.
You can't define heroism because the word has lost all meaning.
When everyone who served in 'Nam, everyone in the military, the
fire department and the police force is a "hero" the word becomes
meaningless. Hell, Bill Ayers is in the news lately so I nominate
the Weathermen as true American heroes. They probably did more to
end the war in Vietnam than some of your more pedestrian heroes
like Martin Luther King Jr. et al. 1/2 :-)

I don't think that everyone who served in "'Nam" ("'Nam,"
Gracie...what, are you watching "Rambo" or something...?), everyone in
the military, the FD, PD, etc. are "heroes." In fact, a few are total,
complete, utter ****ups and criminals as far away from any rational
definition of "hero" as one could get. I do not think that Bill Ayers
is one, but I'm not sure he falls into the category of "bad guy" either.
MKL is marginally one, based on what I understand of his motives, good
and bad. John McCain is a "hero," John Kerry is not. ...

Well, thanks for clearing that up. It's nice to know, in those
moments of doubt, that we have right here on roff the renowned
"hero" expert Rick Dean.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Wed, 08 Oct 2008 19:50:22 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
wrote:
...
I guess it's like art and porn - I can't define it, but I sure as hell
know it when I see it, and much like a nekkid Ms. Simpson, I enjoy
seeing it...the art and the porn as well as the understanding of
heroism, I mean. And neither you nor Dave "get it" when it comes to
heroism.
You can't define heroism because the word has lost all meaning.
When everyone who served in 'Nam, everyone in the military, the
fire department and the police force is a "hero" the word becomes
meaningless. Hell, Bill Ayers is in the news lately so I nominate
the Weathermen as true American heroes. They probably did more to
end the war in Vietnam than some of your more pedestrian heroes
like Martin Luther King Jr. et al. 1/2 :-)

I don't think that everyone who served in "'Nam" ("'Nam,"
Gracie...what, are you watching "Rambo" or something...?), everyone in
the military, the FD, PD, etc. are "heroes." In fact, a few are total,
complete, utter ****ups and criminals as far away from any rational
definition of "hero" as one could get. I do not think that Bill Ayers
is one, but I'm not sure he falls into the category of "bad guy" either.
MKL is marginally one, based on what I understand of his motives, good
and bad. John McCain is a "hero," John Kerry is not. ...

Well, thanks for clearing that up. It's nice to know, in those
moments of doubt, that we have right here on roff the renowned
"hero" expert Rick Dean.

Yeah, heroes stand alone...

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0097501/

HTH,
R