Why is this getting no play??

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html

Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what
government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts
can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're
a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are.

He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the
"government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable
giving. Period.

Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've
been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat
any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job.

--
Ken Fortenberry

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
Tom, check out how much money the man has contributed to charity. It
is almost zero. With his wealth, it should be in the tens of
thousands. I think you can judge him by what is in his heart, and it
sure as hell is not charity. Check it out. It had been on the news a
week or so ago.

his wealth?? Not really all that much, especially by Delaware standards.
I'll stand by what I said, as to his character. You would be wise to
disregard much of what you seem to 'hear' in the 'news'.
Tom

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 13:53:21 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html

Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what
government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts
can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're
a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are.

He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the
"government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable
giving. Period.

Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've
been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat
any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job.

Nope. There is a whole set of "campers" on the north shore of the
Merrimack River in Lowell. They've been there for a couple of years.
Mark and his wife are new arrivals - about six weeks now. People come
and go as their luck changes. Some are just professional bums, but
many, like Mark and his wife, are homeless and get little care from
the government. He *does* work when he can find it. He is a
sheetrock guy... installs sheet rock in new construction, upgrades,
etc. And, from what I understand, he is very good at it.

Right now, however, he depends on the generousity of others. The
government (FDA) presently supplies a can of green beans, fruit
cocktail, pineapple juice (big can), can of chicken noodle soup, and a
small can of tuna fish per person per month. That is not a helluva
lot of food from FDA *for a month*. We give them more than enough
food for one week/person. A family of five will walk out of there
with three banana boxes filled with canned food, cereal, fresh
veggies, fresh fruit, starches (rice/macaroni), toilet paper, hygenic
needs, and one pound of meat per person. They can visit our facility
once. However, there are three more facilities in the city that they
can, and do, visit. And of this is provided by the generousity of
others. Without it, people would go hungry.

The government was never meant to be the solution to every problem in
our society. Some solutions must come from the people themselves.

Dave

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html

Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what
government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts
can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're
a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are.
He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the
"government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable
giving. Period.
Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've
been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat
any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job.

Nope. ...

I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell
me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state
of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even
provided you with the web site which proves otherwise.

The government was never meant to be the solution to every problem in
our society. Some solutions must come from the people themselves.

We don't disagree on that, but it is the responsibility of
citizens in a civilized society to take care of those who
cannot take care of themselves. Indeed, that is one measure
of a civilized society. Donate to charity if you want, but
don't forget that the government has a responsibility to the
unfortunate among us.

--
Ken Fortenberry

In article ,
says...
Tom, check out how much money the man has contributed to charity. It
is almost zero.



Um, where are you getting your numbers? Tax returns? I wouldn't be so
quick to judge. Our family, for example, donates a bit of money to
various charities, but I've never bothered to declare it as a tax
deduction.

After all, a noted authority once said that when you give to charity,
the left hand shouldn't know what the right hand is doing.


--
Kevin Vang
reply to kevin dot vang at minotstateu dot edu

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:04:35 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell
me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state
of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even
provided you with the web site which proves otherwise.

You figure it out: They are allowed one trip to the facility a month.
We are allowed one can of tuna fish/person for that trip. That is FDA
money/product. *Sometimes* (like last week), we will have FDA meat in
the form of ham or turkey. Last week we had 3 lb hams provided by FDA
(read: free).

There are other programs. There has to be (should be), but sometimes
folks do not meet the requirements. We feed more than 150 families a
week. It has been steady for the past two years. That means that we
are feeding somewhere around 400 to 450 people a week. Consistently.

You don't believe me, check into a food patry in your home town.
There is one in mine, run by the Catholic Church in town. I choose to
drive to Lowell, about 30 miles away, because I know the folks who run
it. There are food pantries in most good size towns. Hell, even
better, volunteer. You'll probably meet some conservatives that you
will instantly like.

Dave
(I will afford you this courtesy: On Tuesday I will ask those that
run the pantry exactly why the "tent people" can not get other aid, or
if they actually do. I know for sure that Mark and his wife's
appearance has gone down hill in the past month. When I first met him
he was clean, shaved, and his clothes were fresh. Now he is dirty,
with a filthy beard, and he smells. I guess camping out for a few
weeks doesn't do much for your appearance. Taking all your craps in a
plastic bag lined pail can't be helping either.)

~^ beancounter ~^ wrote:

Beneath Obama's flowery rhetoric lies a dangerous
economic plan that will wreak havoc on the American
economy.

Obama plans to return to the failed policies of high
taxation coupled with an expansion of government spending.
Worse, Obama says he is absolutely committed to almost
doubling the capital gains rate — something he will easily
accomplish with a Democrat Congress.

In the coming months — when investors realize that
Obama will raise the cap gains rate — there could be
a stampede of asset sales as investors rush to take their
profits now to avoid Obama's doubling of the tax rates next year.

"Wreak havoc on the American economy." Good one.

Not that I don't think failed economic policies *could* lead to a
stampede of asset sales, mind you.......

g

After 21 Jan 09, Dow could fall from, oh, 1000 to 500 maybe.

- JR

Kevin Vang wrote:
In article ,
says...
Tom, check out how much money the man has contributed to charity. It
is almost zero.

Um, where are you getting your numbers? Tax returns? I wouldn't be so
quick to judge. Our family, for example, donates a bit of money to
various charities, but I've never bothered to declare it as a tax
deduction.

After all, a noted authority once said that when you give to charity,
the left hand shouldn't know what the right hand is doing.

No, don't you know unless you brag about how much you give, on,
say, Usenet forums, for example, it doesn't count?

'Course, you might, as a graduate of Columbia, work as a
community organizer for next to nothing, but that wouldn't count
either, because working with and for the urban poor is just
something to make fun of......

- JR

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 22:04:24 GMT, "Tom Littleton"
wrote:

his wealth?? Not really all that much, especially by Delaware standards.
I'll stand by what I said, as to his character. You would be wise to
disregard much of what you seem to 'hear' in the 'news'.

Well, I could do well to disregard what I hear on NBC and CBS, and the
NY Times, it was one of those sources that originally broke the sad
news about Generous Joe.

The man makes more that Joe Sixpack, and Joe Sixpack gives more to
charity. Biden makes in excess of $200K/year. That is wealthy in my
book. If I can give $xxxx/year to charity, it should be no problem
for Biden to also do. READ IT, Tom.

http://taxingtennessee.blogspot.com/...taxpayers.html

Your hero is a cheap skate, more concerned with his own well being
than those around him. Read it! He's even a cheaper ******* than
Kerry, and I thought that was impossible.

Dave

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:01:43 -0500, Kevin Vang
wrote:

Tax returns?

Tax returns should be accurate. No one in the Biden camp has denied
the numbers. Before Kerry was running for potus his "largess" was
well known; it amounted to less than 1/2 of 1% of his total income of
$300K/year. When he ran for potus, he managed to correct that figure
to somewhere up the scale where it should have been all along.
Coincidental? Or planned so that he would look a little bit more
human. We are talking about the ruling class, Kevin, not about you
and me and the rest of the country. Ruling Class. The Bidens,
Kennedys, Kerrys, et al. "Let them eat cake."

Dave