Why is this getting no play??

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
http://www.massresources.org/massach...service_d.html

Get your friend under the bridge some real help, that's what
government is for you know. I'm sure the state of Massachusetts
can come up with something better than poop baggies. But, you're
a real sweetheart for giving him poop baggies, really you are.
He's been that route, Ken. He's received very little help from the
"government". All the help he is now getting is from charitable
giving. Period.
Something doesn't smell right with that story. I think you've
been had, Louie. If I were you I wouldn't give that deadbeat
any more poop baggies until he started to look for a job.

Nope. ...

I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell
me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state
of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even
provided you with the web site which proves otherwise.

The government was never meant to be the solution to every problem in
our society. Some solutions must come from the people themselves.

We don't disagree on that, but it is the responsibility of
citizens in a civilized society to take care of those who
cannot take care of themselves. Indeed, that is one measure
of a civilized society. Donate to charity if you want, but
don't forget that the government has a responsibility to the
unfortunate among us.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 18:04:35 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell
me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state
of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even
provided you with the web site which proves otherwise.

You figure it out: They are allowed one trip to the facility a month.
We are allowed one can of tuna fish/person for that trip. That is FDA
money/product. *Sometimes* (like last week), we will have FDA meat in
the form of ham or turkey. Last week we had 3 lb hams provided by FDA
(read: free).

There are other programs. There has to be (should be), but sometimes
folks do not meet the requirements. We feed more than 150 families a
week. It has been steady for the past two years. That means that we
are feeding somewhere around 400 to 450 people a week. Consistently.

You don't believe me, check into a food patry in your home town.
There is one in mine, run by the Catholic Church in town. I choose to
drive to Lowell, about 30 miles away, because I know the folks who run
it. There are food pantries in most good size towns. Hell, even
better, volunteer. You'll probably meet some conservatives that you
will instantly like.

Dave
(I will afford you this courtesy: On Tuesday I will ask those that
run the pantry exactly why the "tent people" can not get other aid, or
if they actually do. I know for sure that Mark and his wife's
appearance has gone down hill in the past month. When I first met him
he was clean, shaved, and his clothes were fresh. Now he is dirty,
with a filthy beard, and he smells. I guess camping out for a few
weeks doesn't do much for your appearance. Taking all your craps in a
plastic bag lined pail can't be helping either.)

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
I'm not buying that cock and bull, Louie. You can't tell
me that the only safety net for the indigent in the state
of Massachusetts is one can of FDA tuna per month. I even
provided you with the web site which proves otherwise.

You figure it out: ...

Already did that.

If you want to believe that your largesse is the sole reason
some people in Massachusetts don't starve to death you go
right ahead and believe it. Just don't expect that I will.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:41:17 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

If you want to believe that your largesse is the sole reason
some people in Massachusetts don't starve to death you go
right ahead and believe it. Just don't expect that I will.

It is not MY largesse, Ken. It is a combination of many people. I
couldn't financially support that charity, no could I run it. It is a
giant team effort involving hundred of people.

If it wasn't for all the food pantries around the state, many people
would go hungry. No one starves to death, but they do go hungry.
Almost all of our clients are on welfare, but that is not enough.
They are all getting aid from the state in some way or form.

Of course I could stand up front of them and say, "Ok, all you lazy
*******s. My liberal friends want you to go out and get a job, feed
yourself, no one cares about you. Now move it out!" Of course I
would say it with all the compassion that you would put into such
words.

You need to get out more often and look around and see if you too
could help in some small way. It does not require much effort or
money, just time. And, it would help if you would realize that
government is not the answer to all the problems this country faces.
There is much you can do instead of sitting comfortably in Champana
complaining about Republicans.

Dave

On Oct 11, 3:11*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:
On Fri, 10 Oct 2008 21:41:17 -0500, Ken Fortenberry

wrote:
If you want to believe that your largesse is the sole reason
some people in Massachusetts don't starve to death you go
right ahead and believe it. Just don't expect that I will.

It is not MY largesse, Ken. *It is a combination of many people. *I
couldn't financially support that charity, no could I run it. *It is a
giant team effort involving hundred of people.

If it wasn't for all the food pantries around the state, many people
would go hungry. *No one starves to death, but they do go hungry.
Almost all of our clients are on welfare, but that is not enough.
They are all getting aid from the state in some way or form.

Of course I could stand up front of them and say, "Ok, all you lazy
*******s. *My liberal friends want you to go out and get a job, feed
yourself, no one cares about you. *Now move it out!" *Of course I
would say it with all the compassion that you would put into such
words.

You need to get out more often and look around and see if you too
could help in some small way. *It does not require much effort or
money, just time. *And, it would help if you would realize that
government is not the answer to all the problems this country faces.
There is much you can do instead of sitting comfortably in Champana
complaining about Republicans.

Dave

On the contrary dumbo, sensible and just government is the only
possible answer. That is what a government is supposed to do, ensure
the welfare of its citizens. That is the only sensible reason for its
existence.

The fact that many people are obliged to rely on charity is a sign
that the government has failed in its duty to its citizens.

Nobody wishes to be beholden in any way to nasty boastful
condescending ****bags like you LaCourse.

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
If you want to believe that your largesse is the sole reason
some people in Massachusetts don't starve to death you go
right ahead and believe it. Just don't expect that I will.

snip nonsense
... And, it would help if you would realize that
government is not the answer to all the problems this country faces.

I've already conceded that point and I agree. The government cannot,
for instance, neuter all the right wing nitwits so they don't breed
or even disenfranchise them, as convenient as that would be. But any
government worthy of the name can sure as hell make sure that *no*
person in this country *ever* has to go hungry. You can argue to the
contrary until you're blue in the face but you will be forever wrong.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Sat, 11 Oct 2008 11:31:18 -0500, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:

But any
government worthy of the name can sure as hell make sure that *no*
person in this country *ever* has to go hungry. You can argue to the
contrary until you're blue in the face but you will be forever wrong.

Then why are there tens of thousands of food pantries around the
country? There are four in the small city of Lowell. My small town
has one. The small towns on either side of me have one. Without this
extra food (and used clothes and toys for kids) these people would
have a much harder time. You sure are a compassionate liberal. Not!

The clients include Mexicans, Blacks, whites, Viet Namese, Laosians,
Iraqis, Russians, Puorto Ricans, et al. It is a regular melting pot
of different ethnic groups. They have all fallen through the cracks
of government. Many of them are *third* generation welfare
recipients. The government *is* doing something, but it is not
enough.

Dave LaCourse wrote:
Ken Fortenberry wrote:
But any
government worthy of the name can sure as hell make sure that *no*
person in this country *ever* has to go hungry. You can argue to the
contrary until you're blue in the face but you will be forever wrong.

Then why are there tens of thousands of food pantries around the
country? ...

Not enough government. Duh.

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Oct 11, 7:14*pm, Dave LaCourse wrote:

Then why are there tens of thousands of food pantries around the
country? *

Because you have an incompetent government which is more interested in
spending untold millions on illegal invasions and occupations of other
countries, and playing "world policeman", among other things, than it
is in looking after its own citizens.

The money which was wasted on this stupid election alone, regardless
of candidate or party would have fed, clothed, and housed many people
for a very long time.

"Dave LaCourse" wrote in message
...
If it wasn't for all the food pantries around the state, many people
would go hungry. No one starves to death, but they do go hungry.
Almost all of our clients are on welfare, but that is not enough.
They are all getting aid from the state in some way or form.


this has veered WAY off the original topic, but this is a valuable
observation nonetheless. Food pantries and similar missions are suffering a
two-sided problem at the moment. Far more folks are showing up, and
donations have dropped in recent months, presumably due to economic
conditions. Liberal, conservative or whatever, anyone who can, should donate
what they can to these efforts. Many of your countrymen depend on these
places........now, I'll get off my soapbox.
Tom