OT- Landslide?

On Oct 12, 12:57*pm, George Cleveland
wrote:



Its important that Democrats not get complacent but rather take the
attitude that an absolute crushing of the Party of Bush is a first
step in exacting justice for the disaster of the last 8 years. With
more to come.

hth

GeoC

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform. One of the major problems facing reform in many parties and
governments is the deadlocking which occurs through lack of
majorities, which effectively blocks many things.

One must also remember that the will to reform is one thing, having
the power to actually do it is quite another, and that by and large
civil servants are mainly responsible for implementing policy, and not
politicians. If those civil servants block or frustrate policy, then
the politicians are basically powerless.

Of course, some of those reforms may also be something that many don´t
want, as they might well negatively affect their present status. Many
things are as they are because people wish them to stay that way.

Democracy itself has one major flaw, in that it assumes equality on
the part of the participants. This is obviously not the case. When
capitalism is added to this, then the concept and operation becomes
even more skewed, usually in favour of those with the most clout.

"Crushing" a party would not seem to be a particularly good idea,
especially in this case, as it would remove many checks and balances.
Although it may seem that a particular party is responsible for a lot
of unfortunate circumstances, because they happen to be in power, this
is rarely the case. It takes cooperation on many levels to implement
various things, and both parties are involved in this.

Also, having a majority does not automatically guarantee success in
any particular situation.

This type of "scapegoat" thinking merely results in more problems. One
can not do anything about what happened yesterday, one can only change
what will happen today or tomorrow.

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On Oct 12, 12:57 pm, George Cleveland
wrote:



Its important that Democrats not get complacent but rather take the
attitude that an absolute crushing of the Party of Bush is a first
step in exacting justice for the disaster of the last 8 years. With
more to come.

hth

GeoC

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform. One of the major problems facing reform in many parties and
governments is the deadlocking which occurs through lack of
majorities, which effectively blocks many things.

One must also remember that the will to reform is one thing, having
the power to actually do it is quite another, and that by and large
civil servants are mainly responsible for implementing policy, and not
politicians. If those civil servants block or frustrate policy, then
the politicians are basically powerless.

Of course, some of those reforms may also be something that many don´t
want, as they might well negatively affect their present status. Many
things are as they are because people wish them to stay that way.

Democracy itself has one major flaw, in that it assumes equality on
the part of the participants. This is obviously not the case. When
capitalism is added to this, then the concept and operation becomes
even more skewed, usually in favour of those with the most clout.

"Crushing" a party would not seem to be a particularly good idea,
especially in this case, as it would remove many checks and balances.
Although it may seem that a particular party is responsible for a lot
of unfortunate circumstances, because they happen to be in power, this
is rarely the case. It takes cooperation on many levels to implement
various things, and both parties are involved in this.

Also, having a majority does not automatically guarantee success in
any particular situation.

This type of "scapegoat" thinking merely results in more problems. One
can not do anything about what happened yesterday, one can only change
what will happen today or tomorrow.


Reform? What exactly are his reform policies? Both the candidates are
scary. I just think Obama and his life long political leanings are more
scary than McCain's. And Obama and Pelosi are an extremely scary combo.

"Calif Bill" wrote in news:vcOdnSCVw9
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Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform.

More importantly, it gives a clear message to the Republican Party that it
needs to retool. In the long run, two viable vital parties (or more) are
probably in everyone's best interest.

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Scott
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On Oct 12, 7:48*pm, Scott Seidman wrote:
"Calif Bill" wrote in news:vcOdnSCVw9
:

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform.

More importantly, it gives a clear message to the Republican Party that it
needs to retool. *In the long run, two viable vital parties (or more) are
probably in everyone's best interest.

--
Scott
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Heh heh, Calif Bill didn´t write that.

Parties only primarily serve their own interests, that is why many
things which are necessary and sensible never happen, it would be
contrary to party interests.

On Oct 12, 11:06*am, wrote:

Are you actually a citizen of some country where you actually vote?
What might that country be? Do you vote? Have you done any grass roots
political work or served in a party office? You seem very far removed
from any real appreciation for things political, much less how things
might work in a large, continental, federal country such as the US or
Canada or Australia. Separate and apart from your hatred for several
of us on ROFF, your comments on things political and economic read as
smugly childish.

Dave

On Oct 12, 10:49*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 12, 11:06*am, wrote:

Are you actually a citizen of some country where you actually vote?
What might that country be? Do you vote? Have you done any grass roots
political work or served in a party office? You seem very far removed
from any real appreciation for things political, much less how things
might work in a large, continental, federal country such as the US or
Canada or Australia. Separate and apart from your hatred for several
of us on ROFF, your comments on things political and economic read as
smugly childish.

Dave

How you read things is your affair. There is no way I would give a
nasty **** like you any information at all, personal or otherwise.

Quite apart from which, somebody who rabbits on about monkey fellatio,
shagging diseased sheep, and a host of other weird and stupid ****e is
not to be taken seriously about anything.

DaveS wrote:
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Separate and apart from your hatred for several
of us on ROFF, your comments on things political and economic read as
smugly childish.

He's uneducated, a clever simpleton with pretensions.

Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

On Oct 12, 11:55*pm, Ken Fortenberry
wrote:


He's uneducated, a clever simpleton with pretensions.

Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

--
Ken Fortenberry

Heh heh, you wish Kenny boy. No idea what education you received, but
it did no good, because you turned out to be just a stupid nasty
****.

The more these other dumbos try to follow your lead, the more damage
they do themselves, and this group. Wouldn´t really make much
difference now even if they could think for themselves, or changed
their behaviour.

This place has had it as a fishing group. Eventually, only you nasty
****ers will be left. Indeed, it´s not far off that state now.

"Ken Fortenberry" wrote in message
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Would you and Tom *please* quit poking at the friggin' loony
so maybe the damn thing will go away ?

hell, I was just pleased that he wasn't posting pictures.
Tom

"Scott Seidman" wrote in message
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"Calif Bill" wrote in news:vcOdnSCVw9
:

Regardless of any other considerations, a "landslide" might be a good
thing, giving the incumbent the necessary power to actually implement
reform.

More importantly, it gives a clear message to the Republican Party that it
needs to retool. In the long run, two viable vital parties (or more) are
probably in everyone's best interest.

--
Scott
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But we need good leadership in the next 4 years, or at least one that does
not screw us up really bad.