Really, you couldn't make this **** up.....

On Oct 13, 2:29*am, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 12, 2:44*pm, wrote:

You avoid the question. This dirty campaign is a major element in the
set of Republican darkside projects targeted on this election cycle.
The opposing effort is the "Schlepping to Florida" effort led by, of
all people Sarah SIlverstein, the dirty mouthed comedienne. Today was
a kickoff day for younger voters to contact their Florida resident
registered Democrat Jewish parents and Grandparents, and counter the
Republican financed campaign spreading tales that Obama is an Arab,
secret Muslim, Jew hater, who wants to destroy Israel. The racist
Republican campaign is estimated to have influenced the vote of about
12% of their elderly Jewish targets so far. The hate campaign has been
operating for about a year now, pretty much under the radar, and the
Democratic response is just getting tooled up. Sarah scares me.

Supposedly the anti-Obama hate campaign is "anonymous," but that is a
joke. Except for a short period after Nixon, the Republican Party has
maintained a permanent set of dirty project contractors. Funding
usually is well hidden with a few notable exposures such as Tom
Delay's "youth charity" fund, *exposed when he tried to also use it
for funding some gala parties at the 2004 convention. Pieces of the
Abramoff payoffs appear to have ended up in some of the dirty projects
targeted on reducing African American voting, and over the years funds
from techically legal right-wing operatives like those of Richard
Mellon Scaife and groups like the Coors foundations have made it onto
the filings of cut-out groups thought to fund racist and voter
intimidation projects designed to help Republican candidates, or hurt
Democrats.

I do not think that John McCain likes the racist parts of these
projects but he wants to win and the dirty projects are what's given
the GOP the winning margins in many elections. I also believe that
most State and local Republican Parties do not have dirty tricks
groups or projects. I do believe that the majority of this activity is
directed at the national level, from the RNC, with a very good system
of cut-outs and fronts to confuse their origins.

One rumor has it that one of the contractors on the Jewish Elderly
Democrat project in Florida has inadvertently hired some KKK figures,
or a KKK data base or some dastardly thing like that. Sounds like
wishful thinking to me. With any luck this thing will blow up in the
RNC's face, but so far they are winning the dirty wars. Watch Florida.
As near as I can tell, the Democratic Party has nothing to compare to
the Republican Darkside (sometimes referred to as "the rat****ers" in
the old days), But I sometimes wished the Democrats did.

Dave

.... and then there is Andy Martin:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us...martin.html?hp

" wrote in
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... and then there is Andy Martin:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us...martin.html?hp


You hear about whack jobs who are too crazy to be admitted to the Bar, but
you rarely hear from them.

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On Oct 13, 8:11*am, Scott Seidman wrote:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us...martin.html?hp

You hear about whack jobs who are too crazy to be admitted to the Bar, but
you rarely hear from them. *

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To top it off, RNC Dirty tricks operative Andy Martin is
systematically harassing Obama's sick 84 year old grandmother. Of
course McCain isn't doing it, and Im sure he would mechanically decry
it if it were made more widely public, and Im sure that the money that
pays Martin for this project, as for many of his more overtly racist
and anti-Semitic projects in the past would be very difficult to
trace. But the whole political class knows who Martin is, the kind of
racist dirty tricks he offers for sale, and who he works for. The
folks who contribute to the RNC doubtless are unsuspecting of how some
of their money goes to undermining Democracy in this great country of
ours.

Dave

On Oct 13, 6:45*pm, DaveS wrote:
On Oct 13, 8:11*am, Scott Seidman wrote:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/13/us...martin.html?hp

You hear about whack jobs who are too crazy to be admitted to the Bar, but
you rarely hear from them. *

--
Scott
Reverse name to reply

To top it off, RNC Dirty tricks operative Andy Martin is
systematically harassing Obama's sick 84 year old grandmother. Of
course McCain isn't doing it, and Im sure he would mechanically decry
it if it were made more widely public, and Im sure that the money that
pays Martin for this project, as for many of his more overtly racist
and anti-Semitic projects in the past would be very difficult to
trace. But the whole political class knows who Martin is, the kind of
racist dirty tricks he offers for sale, and who he works for. The
folks who contribute to the RNC doubtless are unsuspecting of how some
of their money goes to undermining Democracy in this great country of
ours.

Dave

I doubt that the RNC or anyone connected with it would pay Martin: I
suspect that there would always be the fear that he is unstable enough
to turn on them. Guys like the swiftboaters are more reliable.

On Oct 13, 6:09*pm, "
wrote:
Dave

I doubt that the RNC or anyone connected with it would pay Martin: I
suspect that there would always be the fear that he is unstable enough
to turn on them. *Guys like the swiftboaters are more reliable.- Hide quoted text -


There are always cut-outs between Martin and his funders. He is a
crazy fox. And he does occasionally bite his handlers. But the damage
he inflicts is usually in one direction. Just look at how long Martin
has been in this business and try to figure out where his funding
support comes from. And reliability comes in many flavors: Martin has
been a very reliable anti-Semite.

That the South Florida project to intimidate elderly Jewish registered
Democrats is part of a Rove designed campaign, that Rove is working
for the McCain campaign, and that Martin is a leading player are not
in question. But I would not bet that Martin's funding can be traced
to the RNC. If I were guessing I'd look first at the Coors front
groups, but I do not actually who his money conduit is.

Dave